Hate the belief, not the believer

[Losty]

I don't hate anyone. I don't see how anyone at this forum can see my posts and believe me capable of hating people. It's not really something I know how to do. If anything my fault is that I love people too much, when they don't deserve it and when it hurts me.

I just can't stop bouncing back and forth between thinking they're awful people for what they've done and thinking it's not their fault because of what religion has done to them and what they've been through.

I'm thinking my conclusion needs to be that they're awful people and it's not their fault.

[Mudhammam]

I don't hate anyone. I don't see how anyone at this forum can see my posts and believe me capable of hating people. It's not really something I know how to do. If anything my fault is that I love people too much, when they don't deserve it and when it hurts me.

I just can't stop bouncing back and forth between thinking they're awful people for what they've done and thinking it's not their fault because of what religion has done to them and what they've been through.

I'm thinking my conclusion needs to be that they're awful people and it's not their fault.

Not sure if you mean all believers are "awful people" or...?

[Losty]

Oh sorry I was replying to GC in reference to specific people. I certainly don't think all believers are awful people.

[Mudhammam]

Oh sorry I was replying to GC in reference to specific people. I certainly don't think all believers are awful people.

Oh, okay, that's what I thought. I don't think there's anything wrong with hating the person in the context of their actions, but pitying them in the context of their entire life or history.

[Godscreated]

I don't hate anyone. I don't see how anyone at this forum can see my posts and believe me capable of hating people. It's not really something I know how to do. If anything my fault is that I love people too much, when they don't deserve it and when it hurts me.

I just can't stop bouncing back and forth between thinking they're awful people for what they've done and thinking it's not their fault because of what religion has done to them and what they've been through.

I'm thinking my conclusion needs to be that they're awful people and it's not their fault.

If they are doing awful things they are responsible for their actions, don't let them off the hook for their actions, but forgive them for your own health. You understand what I'm saying. The reason anyone thought you might develop a hate for them is because of what you say they have done to you. Do you realize that if you will live in joy they will live in misery. Some of the things I've said here are from the scriptures, even if you do not want to believe, there is good advice in the Bible to have in your life.
People make out of religion what they want, doesn't mean they are right nor does it make Christianity as Christ taught wrong, people who choose to use Christianity as a weapon are teetering on the edge. People who live by Christ's words can't act like what you have described, no way.

GC

[Losty]

I don't hate anyone. I don't see how anyone at this forum can see my posts and believe me capable of hating people. It's not really something I know how to do. If anything my fault is that I love people too much, when they don't deserve it and when it hurts me.

I just can't stop bouncing back and forth between thinking they're awful people for what they've done and thinking it's not their fault because of what religion has done to them and what they've been through.

I'm thinking my conclusion needs to be that they're awful people and it's not their fault.

If they are doing awful things they are responsible for their actions, don't let them off the hook for their actions, but forgive them for your own health. You understand what I'm saying. The reason anyone thought you might develop a hate for them is because of what you say they have done to you. Do you realize that if you will live in joy they will live in misery.

I don't want them to live in misery. I hope that they might find peace despite what they've done. I wish them health, safety, and true happiness. I love them even though they're awful.

Some of the things I've said here are from the scriptures, even if you do not want to believe, there is good advice in the Bible to have in your life.
People make out of religion what they want, doesn't mean they are right nor does it make Christianity as Christ taught wrong, people who choose to use Christianity as a weapon are teetering on the edge. People who live by Christ's words can't act like what you have described, no way.

GC

I spent enough time cherry picking the bible to know that if you look hard enough you can find gems. I very much like the whole not passing judgement thing as well as loving others and forgiveness. The truth is, though, you don't need a bible or a god to know those things or to do them.

[Hoopington]

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgement you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

Who's judging, I was trying to help with a little advise, hate can become a crippling thing so why do it.

Yet on nearly every post I see of yours, this is exactly what you are doing. Where in his post does he even appear to be hateful?

You do this a lot, seems to me to be a little projection. You come onto an atheist forum, as a christian, and because shock horror, they question your beliefs......, on said atheists forum, you accuse them of being full of hate.

Hey, read all the post before showing your ignorance. I've had people to tell me they hate me, yes members of this forum, if you do not care to believe this fine. Many atheist here have stated they hate the Christian belief, I do not remember if you have, but it wouldn't surprise me if you have.

Being able to quote chapter and verse does not translate to understanding, it seems to me you have completely lost your books message.

That's because it convicts you whether you want to admit it or not, sorry if it does, no I'm not,

that's exactly the effect the scriptures should have on the guilty and all are guilty.

GC
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You are judging GC, on pretty much every post I see of yours here.....in fact, why else would you actually be here?

Any argument with you, your default position is to play the victim, accusing those who disagree of hate, whilst at the same time taking delight in telling people that they are going to burn in hell.

Read all of the posts on here?

Do you ever actaully think....you know, about anything?

You don't remember if I have, but then go on to assume......you truly are a disgusting human being GC.

Truly.

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I don't hate anyone. I don't see how anyone at this forum can see my posts and believe me capable of hating people. It's not really something I know how to do. If anything my fault is that I love people too much, when they don't deserve it and when it hurts me.

I just can't stop bouncing back and forth between thinking they're awful people for what they've done and thinking it's not their fault because of what religion has done to them and what they've been through.

I'm thinking my conclusion needs to be that they're awful people and it's not their fault.

If they are doing awful things they are responsible for their actions, don't let them off the hook for their actions, but forgive them for your own health. You understand what I'm saying. The reason anyone thought you might develop a hate for them is because of what you say they have done to you. Do you realize that if you will live in joy they will live in misery. Some of the things I've said here are from the scriptures, even if you do not want to believe, there is good advice in the Bible to have in your life.
People make out of religion what they want, doesn't mean they are right nor does it make Christianity as Christ taught wrong, people who choose to use Christianity as a weapon are teetering on the edge. People who live by Christ's words can't act like what you have described, no way.

GC

No, the reason why you thought he is full of hate is because you are GC. It's your default go to position, you accuse others of the thing you are guilty of yourself.

Any difference, anybody who disagrees, you project the feelings you are full of.

This is the point.

[Brian37]

Oh sorry I was replying to GC in reference to specific people. I certainly don't think all believers are awful people.

Agreed, Ann Frank said it right that humans are good at heart. Our species goes wrong in gap filling and protecting their claims blindly, not examining your own claims is how our species gets lead by others down some very dark roads.

It is not my fellow humans I hate, it is our species ignorance of it's own flawed perceptions that I care enough to challenge people's perceptions. It is the only way you can keep any aspect of society from going off the rails.

[Godscreated]

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If they are doing awful things they are responsible for their actions, don't let them off the hook for their actions, but forgive them for your own health. You understand what I'm saying. The reason anyone thought you might develop a hate for them is because of what you say they have done to you. Do you realize that if you will live in joy they will live in misery.

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I don't want them to live in misery. I hope that they might find peace despite what they've done. I wish them health, safety, and true happiness. I love them even though they're awful.

I understand you love them and want them to be happy, that is good, but at your expense. If what I believe you are saying is correct, they're only happy when you're miserable. Sometimes life gives us few choices because of the choices of others and it seems you are in such a position. So, why not choose the one that makes you happy, they are at fault, they've forced you into this position of misery, do not give them the satisfaction, be happy, live in joy and think about those children they need to see you happy and it's difficult to fool children by pretending your happy in front of them. This is what I meant by them being miserable, they have no influence on you when you decide to live a life that's full of joy and children that are smiling because you are happy, it's healthy for you and the children. If they want to be awful people you can't change that, you can change how you live despite what their doing so make happiness your life.

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Some of the things I've said here are from the scriptures, even if you do not want to believe, there is good advice in the Bible to have in your life.
People make out of religion what they want, doesn't mean they are right nor does it make Christianity as Christ taught wrong, people who choose to use Christianity as a weapon are teetering on the edge. People who live by Christ's words can't act like what you have described, no way.

GC

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I spent enough time cherry picking the bible to know that if you look hard enough you can find gems. I very much like the whole not passing judgement thing as well as loving others and forgiveness. The truth is, though, you don't need a bible or a god to know those things or to do them.

Well our opinion on this is going to differ, my main concern is that you can find the joy your life needs, deserves. I find those things from scripture and try to pass it own for anyone, to help them, suggesting things that apply to their situation. My concern is for you, you are not happy, it's because others are dealing you a bad hand, you do not have to play the hand they deal out, please change it for your benefit and your children's benefit.

GC

[Brian37]

I don't hate anyone. I don't see how anyone at this forum can see my posts and believe me capable of hating people. It's not really something I know how to do. If anything my fault is that I love people too much, when they don't deserve it and when it hurts me.

I just can't stop bouncing back and forth between thinking they're awful people for what they've done and thinking it's not their fault because of what religion has done to them and what they've been through.

I'm thinking my conclusion needs to be that they're awful people and it's not their fault.

If they are doing awful things they are responsible for their actions, don't let them off the hook for their actions, but forgive them for your own health. You understand what I'm saying. The reason anyone thought you might develop a hate for them is because of what you say they have done to you. Do you realize that if you will live in joy they will live in misery. Some of the things I've said here are from the scriptures, even if you do not want to believe, there is good advice in the Bible to have in your life.
People make out of religion what they want, doesn't mean they are right nor does it make Christianity as Christ taught wrong, people who choose to use Christianity as a weapon are teetering on the edge. People who live by Christ's words can't act like what you have described, no way.

GC

Nope, see here is the part you miss, which all religions miss. It is built into the idea itself, to divide. It is why both left and right Christians use the same books with the exact same words, to justify the other as being wrong. But all religions do this. Sunnis and Shiites divide over what the Koran says.

If you accept that religion can be used as a weapon, then maybe you need to understand yourself that it is a bad idea as a human construct. Holy books are weapons, used by the violent and non violent to justify both.

I would suggest you consider that our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in our evolution and not in the books people of any religion buy into.

The truth is that humans are the ones doing good and bad, and that is because we are doing it. There is no magic super hero or magic super villain battling over the neurons in human's brains to get them to be good or bad. WE are doing it.

We can see the same acts of cruelty and compassion in other primates and mammals. Our species behavior, good or bad is evolutionary, not magic.