The Jesus Freaks Will Hate This

[Huggy Bear]

THAT'S all you got out of all that?!? Seriously?!?

jesusfuckingchrist

I'm just trying to see where you're coming from.

I'll ask again,
Are you saying God doesn't exist?

[Silver]

Are you saying God doesn't exist?

I cannot and will not speak for every atheist, but I have no qualms making the positive statement that god does not exist, especially considering the underwhelming evidence for his existence. I am confident in making the statement in reference to god's non-existence as one would in also do in relation to the Santa myth.

[robvalue]

We really don't have enough time in all the world to disprove every unsupported claim people bring to us. Why would we even look at them, when there are plenty of supported claims to look at first and actual stuff to learn?

Should we try and disprove every single person's idea of what God is? Do you argue with kids about Santa, and would you respect their demand you prove he doesn't exist?

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Plus, you know, I did it. And I didn't see anyone else there.

[abaris]

I'll ask again,
Are you saying God doesn't exist?

Pretty few atheists make a positive claim. I can only say, god is on the same level as fairies for me. Haven't seen one, haven't seen any evidence for their existence, but if a fairy presented itself to me, I would believe in fairies. Same with god.

You are the one with the positives on more levels than one. Since you're positive that your god exists. That's an exclusive claim, ruling out every other deity of the major and minor religions as well as several god concepts of other christian denominations.

[watchamadoodle]

I'll ask again,
Are you saying God doesn't exist?

Christians believe in a narrow Christian god, but they expect atheists to debunk a generic god.

I'm 99.999999% certain that the Christian god doesn't exist, but I think other types of gods might exist (the Great Woo, etc.) I'm just too lazy to worry about those other gods, and they don't seem to care what I do. (In fact, if those other gods exist, they seem to be very lazy too.)

[The Reality Salesman01]

I'll ask again,
Are you saying God doesn't exist?

If you don't listen to answers, why keep asking questions?

[Esquilax]

Must I define "faith" for you again?

Is that how you think it works? You get to define terms for everyone else? Is that so you can prevent certain parts of your mind from opening up to the world before you?

He's not even defining it well, because he shows there's multiple definitions and then just assumes that because his preferred definition is present in that set, therefore it's the relevant one. Huggy's entire argument, for most things, is basically that it's possible, in some highly specific, obviously contextually inappropriate way, that he's right, and therefore he's definitely right.

Boiled down, it's: "I can spin whatever you say so that, if you're not bothered by tortured definitions and doublespeak, it matches what I want to be true. Therefore, that spin must be what you originally meant."

If you don't listen to answers, why keep asking questions?

It's not that he's not listening, it's that he's waiting for a very specific, simplistic yes/no answer that he can slot into the strawman argument he's had constructed and waiting since the first time he asked. Something like "you're just closed minded to the possibility of god existing! You're irrational!"

[KevinM1]

You mean quickly edited shakey cam footage of an indistinct circle that could be anything from a balloon, to drone, to RC plane or helicopter? If the guy can summon UFOs on demand, a real test would involve the police in a helicopter chase vehicle and/or FAA records with the radar readings for that time and place.

Occam's Razor - what's more likely, this dude can actually summon UFOs on a whim, in which case he'd be the subject of a ton of legit study because actual alien contact would be a historically big deal, or this guy is a charlatan, likely with an accomplice or two and is doing it for the attention?

You're quickly becoming that "They can't put it on the Internet if it's not true" lady from that TV ad a couple years ago. Everything you've posted has been a big "Bonjour."

Accomplice? didn't catch the part where the news team picked the time and place? that's the difference between the two video's, you don't get to set the conditions with Penn and Teller.

Wow, so the news team called the guy ahead of time, likely days ahead of time. That certainly doesn't give him time to set things up. Nope.

The shaky cam just means that the camera is at max zoom.
It was clearly a sphere and radio controlled craft cant get that altitude, at least not affordable ones, use your brain.

Which is why I also said balloon.

Also, what would be the motive in creating this elaborate hoax, money defiantly wasn't one.

Like I said before, attention. Plenty of people go through great lengths just to be recognized.

The ironic thing is that your explanations are just as ridiculous, "hey! it's a High flying RC crafts that happens to be a glowing sphere."

Reflective material, most likely.

You guys trying to offer a logical explanation instead of conceding that you just don't know, would mean that you believe everything in the universe to be known.

I think we've all stated that we don't know exactly what the video shows. The difference between us is that we don't jump directly to a supernatural reason for whatever it is that's happening because that's the classic God of the Gaps fallacy. There are plenty of things that cast doubt on his claims (like, why didn't he try the trick in front of scientists? or church leaders if he indeed found some sort of super biblical truth? why didn't the UFOs do anything but fly high and far enough away as to be indistinct?).

You tell us to use our brains, and post a bunch of supernatural nonsense with the typical "You can't explain that, therefore god" BS that has never, ever won any kind of intellectually honest debate. Why? Because everyone here can provide rational alternatives grounded in reality, and, logically, the lack of definitive evidence for one explanation (it's likely something simple, like a balloon) is NOT evidence for another (it must be god).

That mentality is the definition of ridiculous. And sad, since you'd rather believe in a fantasy at the expense of reason.

[dyresand]

Are you saying God doesn't exist?

I cannot and will not speak for every atheist, but I have no qualms making the positive statement that god does not exist, especially considering the underwhelming evidence for his existence. I am confident in making the statement in reference to god's non-existence as one would in also do in relation to the Santa myth.

Still though Santa was based on one of the christian saint's so on a technicality we could say Santa did exist at one point

[robvalue]

He existed when I was little. My parents told me he did.