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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:30 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 3:23 pm)robvalue Wrote: It is absolutely retarded, and I don't know how anyone even pretends to understand it let alone "appreciate" it.
I remember hearing about his death originally being about stopping animal sacrifices. The story got distorted from that point I think? He certainly wasn't meant to be God incarnate first time around. I'm pretty sure that was a later insertion.
Is there a chance that even the crucifixion wasn't the original death method? Or is it accepted that the story always contained that part?
That's how I understood it, he died to fulfill sacrificial laws. Which is why sin would still exist, now we just have to say "I'm sorry" instead of cutting off the head of chicken to atone for our sins. The whole thing is absurd.
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Right, the tomb thing is stupid, if they wanted to be rid of an upriser the last thing they'd do is honour him with a fancy tomb. What a fucking stupid story.
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm)abaris Wrote: The fundamental flaw lies in the dogma of the trinity. I have yet to find a theist who can define that dogma or even tries to define it. They usually say, one shouldn't reflect on it, since it's beyond our understanding.
But the bare facts are, according to the dogma, is god incarnate. Ergo the same god, who set up the concept of original sin sacrifices one of his personas to himself to atone for what he has brought into the world in the first place. It gets even weirder when reading the bible, since Jesus repeatedly adresses god. But since he is god, he's merely talking to himself.
And lastly, as I said in a different thread. A sacrifice is only a sacrifice if something precious is lost. Since Jesus is god and god by definition immortal, there is no sacrifice. All that is left is the circus trick of a travelling show.
My thoughts on this subject exactly abaris
It's not immoral to eat meat, abort a fetus or love someone of the same sex...I think that about covers it
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:32 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 3:23 pm)robvalue Wrote: I remember hearing about his death originally being about stopping animal sacrifices. The story got distorted from that point I think?
The Gospel according to PETA? Really? 
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:33 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: Right, the tomb thing is stupid, if they wanted to be rid of an upriser the last thing they'd do is honour him with a fancy tomb. What a fucking stupid story.
You would think they would want to discard of the body in the most dishonorable way possible.
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 3:19 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Does anybody wonder why the romans would put jesus in a rich man's tomb in the first place? It seems odd to me that a rich man would give his tomb to jesus and then have it guarded by the romans, when the romans just crucified him. During that period the romans usually let the bodies rot on the crosses or buried criminals in common graves.
I never really thought about it before but that is a good point.
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:45 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 3:41 pm)Nope Wrote: (March 8, 2015 at 3:19 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Does anybody wonder why the romans would put jesus in a rich man's tomb in the first place? It seems odd to me that a rich man would give his tomb to jesus and then have it guarded by the romans, when the romans just crucified him. During that period the romans usually let the bodies rot on the crosses or buried criminals in common graves.
I never really thought about it before but that is a good point.
Because Joseph was a big fan and also rich and politically influential, enough so that he could ask for the body?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:45 pm
I'm very interested now to find out more about the history of the jesus story, what it was originally like and how it got defiled from a nice story about human sacrifice into a stupid nonsensical story about human sacrifice.
Anyone have a good resource for this?
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 8, 2015 at 3:49 pm
(March 8, 2015 at 3:45 pm)Alex K Wrote: (March 8, 2015 at 3:41 pm)Nope Wrote: I never really thought about it before but that is a good point.
Because Joseph was a big fan and also rich and politically influential, enough so that he could ask for the body?
Ya that's the story but it just doesn't sit right with me. Why would he honor a man who the romans just put to death for being an upriser and why would the romans allow it? If he was so influential why not keep him from being nailed to cross in the first place?
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