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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Being a little disingenuous there, Ignorant. If the only sense in which I should care is the same sense in whether or not I care if the sky is blue..........I don't care.
If it turns out the sky is really red, I'll go "huh, learn something new everyday" and carry on with my life exactly as is.
If I find out that douchegod is really real, I'll say "huh, learn something new everyday"..... and carry on with my life exactly as is.
-but you go right ahead, and foist some "don;t you care about truth" song and dance. 
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 1:27 pm
Not disingenuous, just searching for a bare minimum statement about which someone will agree with me. Haven't found it yet.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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I guess we'll just have to chalk that one up to unintentional asshattery arising as a product of your beliefs, lol.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 1:31 pm
If you say so.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 1:37 pm
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Is it entirely beyond the pale that people who don't believe what you believe might hear the things you say differently than you do. That some things you think are innocent assumptions or usages would be, correctly and identifiably, bullshit digs to them?
I do say so.
Now, imo, you seem like the kind of guy who wants to set a different tone, have a different type of conversation. You're going to have to be aware of things like this to accomplish that.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 2:07 pm
(November 14, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Ignorant Wrote: (November 14, 2016 at 3:58 am)robvalue Wrote: I thought I'd bring this back as it's a question I'm asking all the time of theists and I'm getting no satisfactory answers. Some people will write pages and pages of stuff trying to establish the existence of "God", but can't/won't spare a few words to tell me why I should give the first fuck about any of it.
Why should I care guys? I still haven't heard anything persuasive.
Well, let's start with a real basic and simple reason.
If it's true that god exists, then you should care about it in the same way you care about anything else you hold to be true.
Caring about truth (or at least as close as we may come to truth) seems to be something you do a lot. Why not start there?
Sure, I'm interested in knowing what is true. So let's say you convince me that it's true that "god" exists, whatever that means. What difference should this make to me? I have scientific curiosity about any previously unknown phenomenon, sure. People generally seem to think it's rather more important than that, but have trouble saying why.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 2:19 pm
Wait, some guy recently said I was missing out on these amazing experiences I could have by trying to talk to it or something. And I was missing out on feeling certain about some knowledge or other. I never got any details. Sounds like God is interchangeable with a crack pipe though.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 2:22 pm
(November 14, 2016 at 1:21 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Hey, we're all creators. It's just that nobody cares about our shit.
But then, at least it exists.
That might change if we'd just been elected president ..
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 2:24 pm
If there was a good god I'd care. If god was a cunt I wouldn't care.
If god existed and was good I'd start by assuming their omnipotence was bullshit because any good god wouldn't intentionally allow all the horrible shit to happen in this world. If there was a good god their power would be limited. Also they'd have to be a part of reality itself rather than being "outside of reality" and they can't have existed "before time", that makes no sense. If a god exists it is equal to rather than superior than the universe.
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RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm
(November 14, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Ignorant Wrote: (November 14, 2016 at 3:58 am)robvalue Wrote: I thought I'd bring this back as it's a question I'm asking all the time of theists and I'm getting no satisfactory answers. Some people will write pages and pages of stuff trying to establish the existence of "God", but can't/won't spare a few words to tell me why I should give the first fuck about any of it.
Why should I care guys? I still haven't heard anything persuasive.
Well, let's start with a real basic and simple reason.
If it's true that god exists, then you should care about it in the same way you care about anything else you hold to be true.
Caring about truth (or at least as close as we may come to truth) seems to be something you do a lot. Why not start there?
Yeah I guess I'd care to know it .. as you say .. at least in the sense of wanting to know truly how things stand.
I think what everyone is reacting to is the idea that we'd want to behave in ways prescribed by the bible if it were known a creator god were real. You haven't specified what if any link there might be between a creator God's existence and the degree to which any of the Christian mythology being its accurate reflection.
But if we go down the road of what if everything your lot believes is a exactly right what would we do? Let's just say we'd cross that river when we get to it. It's no where in sight now. Whether one would comply with any 'commandments' when one is free to do otherwise is still an open question.
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