The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Chad32]

People have killed each other for clothing. Does that mean that people shouldn't trust clothes?

The fact that Jesus died for all sins past and present means that you are not sentenced to death the moment you are born. The Fact that God is all know means that he can send out messages that we can be a a level that every person can understand even if that person's thinking is flawed.

Have you ever read the entire bible? If so when was the last time you did that?

As soon as someone starts barking that anyone who doesn't wear a certain style of clothes at all times deserves to die, I'll start speaking out against them.

Yes you are sentenced to die. Anyone who doesn't worship Jesus goes to hell. That means everyone goes to hell by default, and you have to make some effort to ensure you don't. Or be (un)lucky enough to be born of parents who are already christian. Entire countries worth of people are going to hell, simply because of the culture they grew up in.

Like reading page after page, instead of looking up particular verses? A pretty good while. Are you trying to say death was not the most common punishment for things Yahweh didn't like?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I remember seeing shows about tribal people sitting at a campfire, throwing something in, and reading the smoke. Or maybe breathing the fumes and seeing visions. I know this isn't exactly how they show it on Prince of Egypt, but I wonder if that's really what the bible meant about a burning bush.

Burning bush = pile of burning opium plants.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

God is three persons one God
Judges 13, Daniel 10, Jeremiah 2, Gen 18:16-33

Ducks offspring are Ducks. People offspring are People. God's offspring is God. People can adopt dogs. God can adopt people.
Iroscato is that what I said?

And yet more emptyness. First, I'm not interested in bible quotes. I'm interested in riddling the trinity.

So god's offspring is god. Great, so god fathered another god and there goes the trinity down the toilet. If he just cloned himself to be Jesus, there goes the meaning of the sacrifice down the toilet. Since god, your god, can't die by definition.

Reading about the Zoroastrian trinity may help to explain the biblical trininty.  It was their concept in the first place.
http://apocalypse-nwo.eu/node/153

[Rekeisha]

People have killed each other for clothing. Does that mean that people shouldn't trust clothes?

The fact that Jesus died for all sins past and present means that you are not sentenced to death the moment you are born. The Fact that God is all know means that he can send out messages that we can be a a level that every person can understand even if that person's thinking is flawed.

Have you ever read the entire bible? If so when was the last time you did that?

As soon as someone starts barking that anyone who doesn't wear a certain style of clothes at all times deserves to die, I'll start speaking out against them.

Yes you are sentenced to die. Anyone who doesn't worship Jesus goes to hell. That means everyone goes to hell by default, and you have to make some effort to ensure you don't. Or be (un)lucky enough to be born of parents who are already christian. Entire countries worth of people are going to hell, simply because of the culture they grew up in.

Like reading page after page, instead of looking up particular verses? A pretty good while. Are you trying to say death was not the most common punishment for things Yahweh didn't like?

The Jews in had to wear a star to mark them in Germany, people in gang will kill people who wear the wrong color. People will kill each other because the are the wrong race. People will kill if they are the wrong sex. People will kill their own babies if they are inconvenient to them. See it isn't about the book but it is about the state of a man/woman's heart. A wicked man will use the bible which is the word of God, holy and true, to destroy someone else if they could.

I am not surprised that you found a lot of death in the scriptures because it speaks judgment against sinful people. It is a warning against living a life against God. So since you say you gladly oppose God then you would most definitely find that you are condemned according to the scriptures.  Still that is not the entirety of the Bible but you will not see that unless you humble yourself.

I asked if you read it to see if you were just going by what others say about the Bible or if you actually read or studied it yourself.

[Chad32]

As soon as someone starts barking that anyone who doesn't wear a certain style of clothes at all times deserves to die, I'll start speaking out against them.

Yes you are sentenced to die. Anyone who doesn't worship Jesus goes to hell. That means everyone goes to hell by default, and you have to make some effort to ensure you don't. Or be (un)lucky enough to be born of parents who are already christian. Entire countries worth of people are going to hell, simply because of the culture they grew up in.

Like reading page after page, instead of looking up particular verses? A pretty good while. Are you trying to say death was not the most common punishment for things Yahweh didn't like?

The Jews in had to wear a star to mark them in Germany, people in gang will kill people who wear the wrong color. People will kill each other because the are the wrong race. People will kill if they are the wrong sex. People will kill their own babies if they are inconvenient to them. See it isn't about the book but it is about the state of a man/woman's heart. A wicked man will use the bible which is the word of God, holy and true, to destroy someone else if they could.

I am not surprised that you found a lot of death in the scriptures because it speaks judgment against sinful people. It is a warning against living a life against God. So since you say you gladly oppose God then you would most definitely find that you are condemned according to the scriptures.  Still that is not the entirety of the Bible but you will not see that unless you humble yourself.

I asked if you read it to see if you were just going by what others say about the Bible or if you actually read or studied it yourself.

And those kind of killings wouldn't be considered bad from a biblical perspective in certain circumstances. I'm against all of it, but not because I read it was wrong in a book.

I'm not going to humble myself before a book written by people who claim to worship a genocidal narcissist. Truth, justice, and goodness should not require you to get on your knees before you begin to understand it. You think I need to reach the conclusion that this book is good before I start seeing the goodness in it, but that's not how things work.

[Rekeisha]

Also can you explain which of those killings would not be wrong from a biblical stand point and if you can would you then explain it to me?
If you had read the Bible you would know that it says in Romans that we do instinctively know what is just and unjust because it is written on our hearts.

[FatAndFaithless]

Then why do so many people disagree on what's right and wrong, Rekeisha, and how do we determine which of us is correct?

[robvalue]

It's not written on everyone's heart. Some people are sociopaths. God made mistakes I guess?

Also, nothing is written on my heart. I've checked. It's just black, steely and defiantly blind.

[Longhorn]

If you had read the Bible you would know that it says in Romans that we do instinctively know what is just and unjust because it is written on our hearts.

If YOU had read the bible, you'd know that wearing mixed fabrics is strictly forbidden, you fucking heretic. Next thing you'll be telling me you eat shrimps!

[robvalue]

If you want an idea of what society would look like under "Christian morality", take a look at ISIS for the closest current approximation.

Christians think they want a theocracy but they'd be screaming for the police in 5 minutes

Only some Christians, mind you. There are many that understand the value of secular government, especially in case they one day become a minority and need protection.