General argument for Islam.

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[Mystic]

[The Grand Nudger]

From what I understand, it's the nature of this knowledge that makes this true. It's only true because God is true. Without this truth, there is corruption in the earth. "Say if there were there a god with god, then they (heaven and the earth) would be corrupted". It's due to the Oneness of God, the oneness of his beauty, the exalted nature of the origin of the highest, that we are reckoned with not acting according to this knowledge and just having in our mind, without teaching it to the soul.

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Then I suppose it's not true, since your god is a fairy tale...and all of a sudden the world is a shittier place...sigh. Cheap idea of truth, you've got there amigo.

Of course I believe in these words without knowing Imam Jaffar said these words. Misbahal Shariah has no chain, it's mursal book, but I believe in it due the wisdom in it.

Check the bolded bit above.....?  Due to the wisdom or only because of god?

[Mystic]

Check the bolded bit above.....?  Due to the wisdom or only because of god?

False dilemma. It's only wisdom due to God.

[The Grand Nudger]

That -is- the dilemma....jesus christ. How can that wisdom be exalted...there are plenty of things that are true regardless of the existence of a god, plenty of wisdom that does not hinge upon the truth of your favorite bedtime story...certainly those things must be the "exalted wisdoms"? If the only reason this shit is true, is wisdom, is because it's from allah...I'm sorry, that's not truth, that;s not wisdom.

Not to me.

[Mystic]

That -is- the dilemma....jesus christ.  How can that wisdom be exalted...there are plenty of things that are true regardless of the existence of a god, plenty of wisdom that does not hinge upon the truth  of your favorite bedtime storiy...certainly those things must be the "exalted wisdoms"?

You are not understanding. But this is a shortcoming on my part. Moses himself didn't think he can explain everything thoroughly and asked God help him with his brother Aeron because he was better in speech and conveying those truths. 

So who am I? I am no where near the intelligence of Moses and so how can I blame you for not understanding me. I blame myself. 

[The Grand Nudger]

-Or-, maybe I do understand, you haven't failed...and I just have higher standards?

[Mystic]

There is some wisdom like "it's better to drink water before you eat if you want to be healthier and not gain weight" or something like that, it doesn't hinge on God.

But not acting towards the knowledge of the hour being condemned like it is is due to the reality of God because it's due to relationship to him.

[Brakeman]

According to Webster,

wisdom


noun wis·dom \ˈwiz-dəm\
: knowledge that is gained by having many experiences in life
: the natural ability to understand things that most other people cannot understand
: knowledge of what is proper or reasonable : good sense or judgment

God does not convey practical knowledge to anyone, science does that.
God does not give the ability to understand anything practical, again science does that.
God does not give good knowledge as to what is proper or reasonable to make a good judgment, instead he only gives second hand commands through the poor venues of warlords and cult leaders. Furthermore the countries that claim to follow god's judgment are invariably horrible places to live which bears witness to the lie of benevolent control.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh well, I have higher standards.  Neither of the statements you just offered seem like exalted wisdom..let alone wisdom with a little "w"...to me. You're being inconsistent, and you are not providing that which you claim to boot!