Transubstantiation 'miracle' shenanigans

[Pyrrho]

[Longhorn]

Ah. It's been a long time since I took chemistry in high school OR college...never much cared for it as you can probably surmise.  

Whether you care for it doesn't change the fact that chemistry is the best tool for describing substances and what happens to them we have. And it doesn't support this idea of transubstantiation. The properties of the substance were not changed. That means no chemical reaction occurred and it is still the same substance. The literal changing of cracker and wine into flesh and blood is unsupportable. The best you can do is a metaphor.

Given that there ARE 44,000 denominations who do teach a common core, I'd say that at least 2 billion people on the planet ARE reasonably clear, and have been for 2,000 years.

But God did not CAUSE the schisms, did He?

But he did let them happen, didn't he? 21 major religions and 44,000 denominations of the supposed 'right' one is the best an omnipotent god can do? He must not give a fuck, then. If I had so many people I allegedly loved spreading lies about me, I'd clear up the confusion. Wouldn't you?

And that 'common core' doesn't stop the denominations from disagreeing on sorta important things, like the purgatory, satan, and hell, to name a few.

Oh, and one more thing... even if we consider the schisms to be irrelevant, it's still 2 billion. Out of 7, Randy. That's 28%. Looks like an F to me.

I'm glad you asked. I'll be starting a thread that will answer this very question later today. See ya there.

Sure. I hope you can do better than myths of resurrection and circular reasoning.

[Pyrrho]

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hmm... how about coming down myself and making it perfectly clear? And by that I mean, you know... not causing 44,000 schisms in my religion, not to mention the existence of other ones.

Given that there ARE 44,000 denominations who do teach a common core, I'd say that at least 2 billion people on the planet ARE reasonably clear, and have been for 2,000 years.

But God did not CAUSE the schisms, did He?
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According to the Bible, he did willfully confuse people about such things.  Here is Jesus on the subject; the "he" in verse 11 is Jesus, which you can tell if you look earlier in the book (since you are Catholic, I am giving it to you in the Douay-Rheims 1899 version):

Mark 4:

11 And he said to them: To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but to them that are without, all things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand: lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.


So Jesus wants people to be confused and go to hell, according to the book of Mark.

[Randy Carson]

[Faith No More]

So, the wafer turned into flesh right in front of him? What part was it? A butt cheek?

[robvalue]

It does turn into Jesus bits, but only very briefly. Record it, and play it back at super slow speed. If you can't see it happen, you're not playing it slowly enough.

[Cyberman]

Last time I had one I ended up with a toenail. It could have been in there when it was made though.

[Pyrrho]

Regarding chemistry and this subject:  The doctrine of transubstantiation predates modern chemistry.  In fact, I seem to recall some resistance to modern chemistry by the Catholic church precisely because of the doctrine of transubstantiation.  Now, they seem content with nonsensical pronouncements about it, instead of denying chemistry.

[vorlon13]

If Jesus had malaria, wouldn't transubstantiation be dangerous ?? He may have been immune being the son of god, but the trypanosomes might still be roaming his blood fluid looking for a better host organism.

[Randy Carson]