Whoopi speaks out against the duggar family

[SteelCurtain]

They should not harass other people or make robocalls that claim that trans people will molest little kids in the bathroom. Religion only applies to the individual who is practicing that religion. 

Cut and dry hypocrisy. The robocalls fearmongering about trans people molesting children and asking people to vote to enact transgender discrimination laws to protect children, when they are not even willing to take action to protect their own daughters.

[Nope]

http://deadstate.org/newly-released-poli...s-parents/


According to this site:

With fewer redactions than the first report, the Washington County Sheriff’s document makes it clear that despite Josh’s chilling confessions the Duggars waited at least 16 months before contacting authorities about the molestations, even though the behavior was continuing and growing worse. During that period they did not get professional counseling for Josh or his victims. Legal experts tell In Touch that Jim Bob and Michelle could have faced six years in prison for their inaction, if the statute of limitations had not expired.

The family is spinning the events to make Joshua seem less guilty. You can find the police report online. He tried to molest one sister in the laundry room by putting his hand up her skirt. The police report made it sound as if some of the abuse was not over the clothes like his sisters are trying to claim. 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...-of-women/

The clinic were Joshua was supposed to stay was run by a man that has since been accused of sexually abusing women. His mother now says that contrary to the police report, Joshua did not stay at that clinic. This was not the pedophile cop that interviewed Joshua




http://imgur.com/a/uePgT#1

I would like to know if Joshua was abused at some point also. The Duggars seem to have a lot of connection to people who sexually abuse others.

[Spooky]

Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is the only sin we can not be forgiven of.

All other sins can fall under the rules of atonement.

That is why it is important to identify Homosexuality as a sin, so the sinner can seek atonement rather than try and justify one's sin.

Let's try it then. 

1. The holy spirit is a rapist.
2. The holy spirit doesn't exist. 
3. If the holy spirit exists I invite it to immediately suck my balls.
4. The holy spirit is as far from holy as anything can get.
5. If I feel the holy spirit I'm immediately going to call Dan Aykroyd and gang.

Am I now doomed to hell forever?

[Ravenshire]

Hey Drich, my questions weren't really trying to start an angry insult match, I'm genuinely looking for a straight, concise answer.

Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given unto you. Unless you seeking a straight answer from Drippy. Then your search is in vain.

[Pyrrho]

... I don't understand why religious people cannot have their beliefs and keep them to themselves. 
...

It is part of Christianity (at least mainstream Christianity) to go out into the world and try to convert others.  So it is a built-in part of the religion to bother others and try to get them to be Christians, too.

Here are a few Biblical references (just read the three verses from Matthew 28 if you don't want to read them all, and notice verse 20, where they are to get everyone to obey all of the commands of God):

Matthew 28:

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Mark 16:

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Luke 24:

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Acts 1:

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Colossians 1:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.


There are likely more such verses, but that is more than enough.

So, even if a particular Christian is not, by inclination, wanting to bother the neighbors, Jesus and other Bible personages have commanded them to do so.

It is their sacred duty to convert you, and get you to follow God's word.  So they are obnoxious assholes not necessarily from personal inclination, but from divine command.


Christianity is not the only religion that has such commands, but I am less familiar with other sacred texts and won't bother with any support for that.  But if you think about it a bit, obviously a religion that has such commands will tend to be more widespread than one in which the members are instructed to keep it to themselves.  So I would hazard a guess that any really common religion has similar commands to what is found in the Bible for spreading the religion.

[SteelCurtain]

Wonder where Drippy went?

The evidence he asked for came out, and Drippy goed bye bye.

[dyresand]

Wonder where Drippy went?

The evidence he asked for came out, and Drippy goed bye bye.

Because physical evidence vs "faith"

is like

[Losty]

... I don't understand why religious people cannot have their beliefs and keep them to themselves. 
...

It is part of Christianity (at least mainstream Christianity) to go out into the world and try to convert others.  So it is a built-in part of the religion to bother others and try to get them to be Christians, too.

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Here are a few Biblical references (just read the three verses from Matthew 28 if you don't want to read them all, and notice verse 20, where they are to get everyone to obey all of the commands of God):

Matthew 28:

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Mark 16:

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Luke 24:

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Acts 1:

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Colossians 1:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.


There are likely more such verses, but that is more than enough.

So, even if a particular Christian is not, by inclination, wanting to bother the neighbors, Jesus and other Bible personages have commanded them to do so.

It is their sacred duty to convert you, and get you to follow God's word.  So they are obnoxious assholes not necessarily from personal inclination, but from divine command.


Christianity is not the only religion that has such commands, but I am less familiar with other sacred texts and won't bother with any support for that.  But if you think about it a bit, obviously a religion that has such commands will tend to be more widespread than one in which the members are instructed to keep it to themselves.  So I would hazard a guess that any really common religion has similar commands to what is found in the Bible for spreading the religion

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I get that, but I don't think "you're a dirty filthy sinner, come to god or burn for eternity", is going to do the trick. Making someone feel shame for something they have no control over (like their sexuality), is disgusting and morally wrong. 

[dyresand]

It is part of Christianity (at least mainstream Christianity) to go out into the world and try to convert others.  So it is a built-in part of the religion to bother others and try to get them to be Christians, too.

---

Here are a few Biblical references (just read the three verses from Matthew 28 if you don't want to read them all, and notice verse 20, where they are to get everyone to obey all of the commands of God):

Matthew 28:

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Mark 16:

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Luke 24:

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Acts 1:

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Colossians 1:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.


There are likely more such verses, but that is more than enough.

So, even if a particular Christian is not, by inclination, wanting to bother the neighbors, Jesus and other Bible personages have commanded them to do so.

It is their sacred duty to convert you, and get you to follow God's word.  So they are obnoxious assholes not necessarily from personal inclination, but from divine command.


Christianity is not the only religion that has such commands, but I am less familiar with other sacred texts and won't bother with any support for that.  But if you think about it a bit, obviously a religion that has such commands will tend to be more widespread than one in which the members are instructed to keep it to themselves.  So I would hazard a guess that any really common religion has similar commands to what is found in the Bible for spreading the religion

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I get that, but I don't think "you're a dirty filthy sinner, come to god or burn for eternity", is going to do the trick. Making someone feel shame for something they have no control over (like their sexuality), is disgusting and morally wrong. 

If it makes you feel better Losty people just stopped listing and they are not as vocal about it much anymore. 

[Pyrrho]

It is part of Christianity (at least mainstream Christianity) to go out into the world and try to convert others.  So it is a built-in part of the religion to bother others and try to get them to be Christians, too.

---

Here are a few Biblical references (just read the three verses from Matthew 28 if you don't want to read them all, and notice verse 20, where they are to get everyone to obey all of the commands of God):

Matthew 28:

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Mark 16:

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Luke 24:

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Acts 1:

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Colossians 1:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.


There are likely more such verses, but that is more than enough.

So, even if a particular Christian is not, by inclination, wanting to bother the neighbors, Jesus and other Bible personages have commanded them to do so.

It is their sacred duty to convert you, and get you to follow God's word.  So they are obnoxious assholes not necessarily from personal inclination, but from divine command.


Christianity is not the only religion that has such commands, but I am less familiar with other sacred texts and won't bother with any support for that.  But if you think about it a bit, obviously a religion that has such commands will tend to be more widespread than one in which the members are instructed to keep it to themselves.  So I would hazard a guess that any really common religion has similar commands to what is found in the Bible for spreading the religion

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I get that, but I don't think "you're a dirty filthy sinner, come to god or burn for eternity", is going to do the trick.

Maybe they are not doing it right, but it does explain why they do it.  Also, however bad the approach is, it does seem to work at least occasionally.

For many of us, there is nothing they could possibly say that would be convincing.  And so for many of us, it does not matter what approach they take, as far as their success or failure is concerned.

Making someone feel shame for something they have no control over (like their sexuality), is disgusting and morally wrong. 

They generally disagree.  And it is their opinions that are relevant for understanding their actions.  In my earlier post, I was not addressing anything other than the motivations for Christians to bother others in various ways.  I agree that Christianity is disgusting, and is morally and factually wrong about a great many things.  But that is irrelevant to why they do what they do.