Why Christianity?

[Ravenshire]

What the fuck are you talking about?!? I don't think I commented on your "dying and rising gods" but even if I did, that's not the other thread I was referring to. Try to keep us straight Randy.

That was in this thread...

No, the other thread where I accused him of lying for jeebus was this one.

[Ravenshire]

There's a reason for that which has been explained and demonstrated to you. If your best response is plagiarism to get people to listen, that's worse than just dishonest. It's morally reprehensible.

If I thought you would listen to a speech by Billy Graham that resulted in your eternal life but only if I posted it as my own, I would post it in a heart-beat.

That would make you a thief and a liar for jeebus.

Wow, Randy. Is there any sin you won't commit to win souls for jeebus?!?

[Randy Carson]

Sorry, you have no right to flaunt the rules of scholarship and copyright because people tune you out.  It is dishonest and a kind of theft.  The right to speak is not the right to make people listen.  You may think your message is of ultimate importance but others don't.

We so often hear the old lament .. how can you be moral without God?  Randy here makes me wonder if anyone who claims to do the lord's work can be moral.  Randy obviously is of the ends justifies the means school.  We should just be thankful if he only applies that ethic to make believe stuff.  But you can't help but wonder how this sort protects their integrity.

There's a reason for that which has been explained and demonstrated to you. If your best response is plagiarism to get people to listen, that's worse than just dishonest. It's morally reprehensible.

Tell you what...I will mull this over. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong.

I appreciate your views, but I'm also conscious of the fact that y'all will say just about anything to get one up on me. You do it to Huggy, to Catholic_Lady...it's how you roll.

However, I've already posted a question at CAF on this topic, and I will be watching for a consensus from the forum members there. You can monitor that here.

If it appears that you're correct and my view is in the minority, I'm man enough to admit it.

I'll keep you posted in the next few days.

[Ravenshire]

but I'm also conscious of the fact that y'all will say just about anything to get one up on me. You do it to Huggy, to Catholic_Lady...it's how you roll.

(emphasis is mine)

Could you find a broader brush?!?

[Randy Carson]

but I'm also conscious of the fact that y'all will say just about anything to get one up on me. You do it to Huggy, to Catholic_Lady...it's how you roll.

(emphasis is mine)

Could you find a broader brush?!?

Believe you me...if I could have, I would have.

[Kaninchen]

I understand that Jews are not inclined to evangelization of others, but how would you respond to some of the calls from members of this forum for evidence of the existence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Why would that matter to me?

He has told you, O man, what is good,
And what the Lord requires of you:
Only to do justice
And to love goodness,
And to walk modestly with your God,
Then will your name achieve wisdom.

Micah 6:8

Randy, I rather go along with Socrates' view about the importance of a considered/examined life and it seems to me that the people on these forums are just as involved in that as any members of 'religious' boards like CAF.

[Ravenshire]

(emphasis is mine)

Could you find a broader brush?!?

Believe you me...if I could have, I would have.

Believe me, we've noticed you like to paint with those.

[Randy Carson]

I understand that Jews are not inclined to evangelization of others, but how would you respond to some of the calls from members of this forum for evidence of the existence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Why would that matter to me?

He has told you, O man, what is good,
And what the Lord requires of you:
Only to do justice
And to love goodness,
And to walk modestly with your God,
Then will your name achieve wisdom.

Micah 6:8

Randy, I rather go along with Socrates' view about the importance of a considered/examined life and it seems to me that the people on these forums are just as involved in that as any members of 'religious' boards like CAF.

And what would you say to a Jewish friend who was intrigued by some of the arguments made by atheists and beginning to have doubts about G-d?

[Kaninchen]

And what would you say to a Jewish friend who was intrigued by some of the arguments made by atheists and beginning to have doubts about G-d?

Have you ever lived outside the south east of the United States?

In the world in which I grew up and was educated, being an atheist was - and is - quite normal but we're all, theists and atheists, a minority in comparison with the can't be bothered.  On the whole, I dislike most those people who really, really know what the answer to everything is, whatever their religion or lack of it.

You also need to get it into your head that other religions do not have the same concept of the divine and don't work in the same way as Christianity, which is one of the reasons why many of your questions are often rather meaningless.  In other words, in order for an answer to have meaning, you'd need to have at least some understanding of the context - something you'll never be bothered to try to get - so answering usually seems rather pointless, especially since it will only be drowned by your copy and pasting or something from your really rather dreadful collection of clip art.

Thus I've kept telling you that Judaism isn't Christianity minus Jesus and Christianity isn't Judaism plus Jesus. God is not as portrayed on the Sistine Chapel roof or a nice young Aryan man with a decorated heart on his chest and an arm around a lamb.  One might describe our understanding of God as an argument that's gone on and on and on and on - on the one hand, while on the other hand, meanwhile on yet another hand . . . . .

So, what would I say to my friend?  I'd start by asking what was wrong with continuing the development of her understanding of how to live a considered/examined life from within the context she'd been brought up in.

[Cyberman]

So basically arguments from ignorance, with mythology shoehorned in.

Oh, and if you could kindly refrain from pre-emptively assuming my response for me, that would be so cool. Thanks.

Not really, Steve.

If you ever decide to take off your atheist glasses and look at the evidence objectively, you'll see that it is substantial.

And there you go again. I asked you politely this time; I may even ask politely a second. After that I get to tell you to fuck off with your condescension. Deal?

With that out of the way, what part of what I said is not really?