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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 9:28 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm talking about the Pharaoh who was given a second chance by God before his heart was hardened forever. You need to read scripture very carefully, but you probably don't read it at all, so I'll consider your comment, parroting.
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I think you're missing the point. The "fact" that god actually hardened the pharaoh's heart in order to perform his magic show, to watch everyone suffer with the plagues is absolutely.. INSANE. He didn't just punish the bad, the innocent were hurt as well.
You and I see the scriptures in a very different fashion. I doubt you would punish the good people, along with the bad people, if you were a god. I can't understand how people just look at this as being perfectly ok, when most of them would consider punishing good people along with bad people, immoral, but when this god character does it in a book, written by man, it's perfectly ok. I call that a double standard.
No, you are the one who has missed the whole point, Pharaoh had a second chance before his heart was hardened permanently, Pharaoh was warned and he said he now knew the God of Israel. Yet he refused to let the Israelites go, Pharaoh could have stopped all his peoples suffering by releasing the Israelites.
You blame God because you do not want to believe in Him, I blame Pharaoh because he saw the power of God and disobeyed after saying he knew Israels God.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 10:17 pm
All the pros and fun people are in hell.
Jesus wanted to extend his holiday there but his dad was, "Okay, Jesus, out of the hot tub!"
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 11:54 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 9:28 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I think you're missing the point. The "fact" that god actually hardened the pharaoh's heart in order to perform his magic show, to watch everyone suffer with the plagues is absolutely.. INSANE. He didn't just punish the bad, the innocent were hurt as well.
You and I see the scriptures in a very different fashion. I doubt you would punish the good people, along with the bad people, if you were a god. I can't understand how people just look at this as being perfectly ok, when most of them would consider punishing good people along with bad people, immoral, but when this god character does it in a book, written by man, it's perfectly ok. I call that a double standard.
No, you are the one who has missed the whole point, Pharaoh had a second chance before his heart was hardened permanently, Pharaoh was warned and he said he now knew the God of Israel. Yet he refused to let the Israelites go, Pharaoh could have stopped all his peoples suffering by releasing the Israelites.
You blame God because you do not want to believe in Him, I blame Pharaoh because he saw the power of God and disobeyed after saying he knew Israels God.
GC
Yeah, we don't see eye to eye on that. I can see where you're going with that, but having given you my opinion on a god hardening someone's heart, is just absolutely preposterous to begin with, so it's hard for me to take that story seriously. It's also hard for me to believe that god orchestrated a world-wide flood, which there is no evidence for, and having wreaked havoc with his plagues. They sound like tales of primitive men.
You keep accusing me of having never read the bible or not wanting to believe in your god. Which is not true. Although, you'd probably think the same of me, accusing you of not being skeptical enough about this voice you hear in your head. The thing is, is that you claim facts, with nothing to back it up. I'm actually perfectly open to a god being out there, but there is nothing sufficient for me to go on there. In fact, the evidence of your god is so non-existent, that you could practically say that he isn't there with at least 99% certainty, but of course, I can't be sure. The evidence of jesus is the exact same as other miracle men, written throughout history; there were stories written about this character on paper/papyrus, that is it. Again, I don't want to not believe in a god, but I surely don't want to worship your version of a god for reasons, that should be completely discernible.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 1:39 am
I know what Jesus was doing down there.
He was finally letting out all the laughter he had been holding in, from people buying his act that a god could actually be hurt.
What a weird boy he is.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 1:47 am
(August 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 4:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Sorry, but your two links are pure BS. Acts 2:29-36 clearly states that the Jesus Christ character's soul went to hell.
You're confusing hades with hell. Hades is an abode of the dead awaiting judgement. He could have gone to hades to preach to the souls there per 1 Peter 3:19. Nowhere does the bible say that Jesus went to hell. According to Romans 10:6-8 (WYC) Jesus might still be in hell and he might need rescuing. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=WYC
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 8:19 am
If Christ is still in Hell, maybe He likes it ?
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 11:50 am
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 11:54 am
Maybe someone should just ask him? Why are we guessing when we have Christians all over the shop?
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 11:55 am
(August 4, 2015 at 11:50 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Did Christ go to hell?
Didn't Jesus go to the Western Hemisphere during that time to convert the natives? It's in a book so it must be true, right?
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 4, 2015 at 11:58 am
(August 4, 2015 at 11:55 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (August 4, 2015 at 11:50 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Did Christ go to hell?
Didn't Jesus go to the Western Hemisphere during that time to convert the natives? It's in a book so it must be true, right?
I'm not sure a donkey could have got Him there and back fast enough.
Appreciate your invoking Joe Smith in this thread though!
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