Hello, i am a real Christian

[Paul the Human]

Oh, wait! It says so right in the Bible, guys! That makes it true.

[True Christian]

If as you say, ' we cannot imagine what he thinks'

How do you "know" that he cares for us?

I know because he sent his son to Earth and let him die just to show us how much he loves us.

Interesting thing also: we cannot create bacteria. We humans cannot create life. That is a main proof for most christians i know, is that there is no observable life outside of Earth and we still dont know how life happened.

[Paul the Human]

I know because he sent his son to Earth and let him die just to show us how much he loves us.

As I said... it says so in the bible, so it must be true. That one does not fly.

Interesting thing also: we cannot create bacteria. We humans cannot create life. That is a main proof for most christians i know, is that there is no observable life outside of Earth and we still dont know how life happened.

Not knowing something does not mean goddidit. It means we have yet to find the real answer. This is the 'god of the gaps' mentality. And yes... we humans can, indeed, create life... because we know what life is made of.

(EDIT: Correction. We (humans) have not created life quite yet, but as Dar points out below, we are getting very, very close. To say that we 'cannot' is not as true as saying that we 'have yet to'.)

[Darwinian]

I know because he sent his son to Earth and let him die just to show us how much he loves us.

This poses so many questions..

How do you 'know' this is true?

What kind of sacrifice is it for an immortal being whom is both omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent to send his son (whatever that means, certainly not son in the way we understand the term) whom he knows will lead a certain life and then be sacrificed only to be brought back to life and ascend into paradise? That's not a sacrifice is it? I mean, what's he sacrificing when everything that happens is supposedly already planned out to the most intricate detail?

And anyway, I thought that Christ WAS God, not his son. So what kind of sacrifice is it to incarnate yourself as a human knowing full well that you cannot die?

And for what purpose was this done? To show us that he loves us? Makes no sense at all!!

Interesting thing also: we cannot create bacteria. We humans cannot create life. That is a main proof for most christians i know, is that there is no observable life outside of Earth and we still dont know how life happened.

We cannot create life (Getting pretty close)

We do not yet know how it arose. (Neither do you!)

And we have yet to observe it outside this planet. (Not yet)

But.. So what!

[True Christian]

I know because he sent his son to Earth and let him die just to show us how much he loves us.

This poses so many questions..

How do you 'know' this is true?

What kind of sacrifice is it for an immortal being whom is both omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent to send his son (whatever that means, certainly not son in the way we understand the term) whom he knows will lead a certain life and then be sacrificed only to be brought back to life and ascend into paradise? That's not a sacrifice is it? I mean, what's he sacrificing when everything that happens is supposedly already planned out to the most intricate detail?

And anyway, I thought that Christ WAS God, not his son. So what kind of sacrifice is it to incarnate yourself as a human knowing full well that you cannot die?

And for what purpose was this done? To show us that he loves us? Makes no sense at all!!

Interesting thing also: we cannot create bacteria. We humans cannot create life. That is a main proof for most christians i know, is that there is no observable life outside of Earth and we still dont know how life happened.

We cannot create life (Getting pretty close)

We do not yet know how it arose. (Neither do you!)

And we have yet to observe it outside this planet. (Not yet)

But.. So what!

We are also "close" to getting atomic fusion working. However we are seeing more and more that it is impossible to do. Saying we are close does not mean necessarily that we will get it. You who rely only on evidence, how can you make the leap of faith that we will "one day" do things that we cannot do today ?

[Paul the Human]

Having faith and having confidence are two different things. And you never addressed the other questions.

Anyway, I have a different question for you. You have already admitted that you cherry pick what to believe and what to dismiss as fairytale, but something you said a while back has come to mind once more. You talked about 'Purgatory'. 'Purgatory' was an invention of the Catholic church based on a very loose interpretation of scripture (I quoted it in the original post where I asked this question, which you never answered). The Catholic church has since reversed it's assertion that there is a 'Purgatory'. My question is why do you believe in it and isn't it blatant cherry picking to take what you like from other Christian sects and say that's what you believe?

[True Christian]

Having faith and having confidence are two different things. And you never addressed the other questions.

Anyway, I have a different question for you. You have already admitted that you cherry pick what to believe and what to dismiss as fairytale, but something you said a while back has come to mind once more. You talked about 'Purgatory'. 'Purgatory' was an invention of the Catholic church based on a very loose interpretation of scripture (I quoted it in the original post where I asked this question, which you never answered). The Catholic church has since reversed it's assertion that there is a 'Purgatory'. My question is why do you believe in it and isn't it blatant cherry picking to take what you like from other Christian sects and say that's what you believe?

I am sorry if i do not answer all the questions, but i have limited time on these forums, unfortunately real life gets in the way
Again, i am not cherry picking my beliefs. The Old Testament is a religion that worshiped another God then the "One true god". The only true encounter humanity had with the true God is Jesus, hence to me Christianity can only be based on the New Testament.
Now, no one really knows what happens after death. I believe in the Purgatory, Heaven and Hell because according to the New Testament, it exists. In the story of Lazarus and the Good Man, Dives was in the spiritual realm talking to Abraham who was in Heaven. However he was neither in Heaven, nor in Hell, but in the Purgatory, since a gulf seperated him from Abraham (Heaven) and he was a good loving man (not in Hell).

[Paul the Human]

So, like the Catholic church, you have interpreted something in the bible to represent 'Purgatory' (a word that is not in the bible), because that is what you want to believe in. Okay. I was just asking. That works for me, in that it seems right in line with everything else you believe.

[Minimalist]

I had a friend who maintains that she is a True Christian drop by and look at this thread and she got back to me to say that you are NOT a True Christian.

Now what?

[tavarish]

I had a friend who maintains that she is a True Christian drop by and look at this thread and she got back to me to say that you are NOT a True Christian.

Now what?

Your friend's obviously not a real Christian.



duh.