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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm
I'm not big on history, so maybe someone else would know this, but...
Were there any civilizations at the time, about 6 or so thousand years ago, that had a 'no slavery' policy?
Just asking, because if there were, that would already put whatever their gods were above Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, since at least that god would have had the balls to tell Its people not to enslave others. Or at the least, those people had the brains to figure it out on their own if their god didn't directly tell them not to do it.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 6:26 pm
Quote:Were there any civilizations at the time, about 6 or so thousand years ago, that had a 'no slavery' policy?
Just asking, because if there were, that would already put whatever their gods were above Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, since at least that god would have had the balls to tell Its people not to enslave others.
Good question. However, virtually EVERY human culture has practiced slavery at some point. Sadly, it seems to cross religious lines with impunity. Peoples who had never heard of the Judeo-Christian mess still owned other people.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 6:30 pm
(August 14, 2015 at 4:58 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Why do religionists refuse to condemn slavery? I hate arguments like "it was normal back then", "everyone else was doing it" or "so-and-so put rules in place to make sure slaves were well treated". Why can't they just admit the author(s) of their religious text(s) were influenced by moral relativism? Why is it so hard for so many people to say that slavery is wrong?
Perhaps it is because subconsciously they understand that their relationship with their deity is analgous to that of a slave and master. The cognitive dissonance then subconsciously sneaks in and warps their moral understanding to keep their conscious self from recognizing that they themselves have willingly given up their autonomy to their master.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 6:38 pm
Why didn't their deity tell people slavery was wrong, that's what I want to know. If people use the Old/New Testament defence the admit that their deity once allowed slavery. Somehow their deity could not tell people to take the moral high ground or to follow the Golden Rule.
Someone like Muhammad is supposed to be this beacon of morality and yet he behaved exactly like exactly like a typical seventh century Arab. There is very little that separates him from the average Arab of the day. It sickens me when people attempt to rationalize slavery.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 6:58 pm
Again, this isn't an institution specific to any one religion, or even any closely related group of religions. Slavery existed before monotheism, and certainly before Judaism. Even after the establishment of the Big Three, peoples who had never heard of the god of Abraham practiced slavery. There may be something deeply ingrained in the human psyche that wants to own things, even other people.
And I think it is important to remember that some of the prime movers (no pun intended) in the abolition of slavery in the West were religious figures.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 9:40 pm
(August 14, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: I see you haven't read my guide to interpreting scripture.
Well well well, Mr. Nomorepropaganda. The answer is genius in its simplicity.
It's metaphorical.
But totally ok because different times, but objective morality. Yeah. Or something. Um, enough with the answers, please. If folks want answers, they need to purchase the guide.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 9:57 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2015 at 9:57 pm by Chad32.)
One other problem is that christians are basically willing slaves of yahweh. How could they admonish slavery when they are supposed to unquestioningly devote their entire lives to someone else? The sooner, and more completely, you live for Jesus the better. Anything less is evil.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 14, 2015 at 10:59 pm
What's wrong is it's fucking heresy. God damn it, we otta be holding these Christer shits feet to the fire. Facilitating their fucking cherry picking of scripture is keeping them from taking that final step towards honesty and realizing all their fucking godshit is precisely that.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 4:00 am
It is really sad that by trying to defend what they claim is their moral guide, they surrender all their real morality.
It's another example of God being suddenly powerless, not even able to stop a bunch of goat molesters from enslaving each other. Pretty weird for an omnipotent being who created the whole universe in a day. Can't keep that story straight. And how did they drift off so badly as to end up enslaving each other? What was God doing all that time?
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 5:14 am
(August 14, 2015 at 10:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: What's wrong is it's fucking heresy. God damn it, we otta be holding these Christer shits feet to the fire. Facilitating their fucking cherry picking of scripture is keeping them from taking that final step towards honesty and realizing all their fucking godshit is precisely that.
I'm not sure what you mean. Slavery isn't heretical (not biblically, at least).
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