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[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

Grab some popcorn y'all... The fun starts now!

so long as you are willing to receive a critique as quickly as you give one, we are good.

Well, you see, I actually spent the better part of my day researching this and hashing it out; you on the other hand pulled this out of your ass in like five seconds because you were butt hurt over the fact that someone disagrees with your religious views, so... Yeah...

She has some fundamental core issues in her understanding of the final judgement and the rapture, but seeing as you did not address any of them, it does not seem you are really interested in what the bible actually says, I see no point in throw your friend under the bus. She is close enough.

My good Christian friend, you need to learn how to craft a basic argument. You see, when you make an assertion as you are doing in this statement, you also need to explain the reasoning behind your point. This is 6th grade shit we're talking here. Learning how to spell would also do you some good. Well, being that your god is a horrible writer, I guess it comes as no surprise that some of his followers are too. Go figure...

a "C"hristian is a follower of Christ that HE deems or judges to be Christian. Everyone one else is 'c'hristian. We can not judge ourself  'C'hristian that is Christ's job.

Yeah; well being that nobody can really communicate with Christ and all we have from him is a vague book that is open to interpretation, how is anyone supposed to determine what he would consider a true Christian?
 

If you do not live naked and in a hollowed out (through natural erosion) tree you are abusing the environment. "Take no thought of tomorrow" is what is called a verse scrap. It does not reflect the context of the message. Both of you (him for using the verse scrap as a excuse for wanting to drive cars and have electricity, and you saying the verse scrap make Jesus Immoral) are foolish and guilt of mining the bible for scraps to justify what you want to believe. This is an intellectually dishonest practice.

(and I say this only in the dramatic sense) OH MY GOD!!! No! No! No! No! No! No! I do not have enough enough face nor enough palm right now!! You dimwit; No, that is not what I meant when I said abusing the environment and it's completely fucking obvious that I'm talking about Christians who use the verse to justify using the earth's resources in an unsustainable manner because they think Jesus will save us if we destroy our planet! Think! Fucking think before you type! Fucking duh!!!

"Take no thought of tomorrow" is what is called a verse scrap. It does not reflect the context of the message. Both of you (him for using the verse scrap as a excuse for wanting to drive cars and have electricity, and you saying the verse scrap make Jesus Immoral) are foolish and guilt of mining the bible for scraps to justify what you want to believe. This is an intellectually dishonest practice.

Alright, you know what? Let's take a look at the passage. Here's a well documented explanation of Matthew 6: http://scalar.usc.edu/works/scalar-bible/matthew-6-niv

In a nutshell, Jesus is instructing his followers to give up their material possessions and trust that god will take care of them (And if you feel I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me). Now, I wouldn't necessarily say it's immoral but it is certainly stupid to believe on total faith that a magical sky-daddy is going to provide for you... I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you are in fact intelligent enough to understand why that's obviously a bad idea, despite my nagging feeling that you're going to come back asking the retarded question "Drrrrrr..... Why is it a bad idea? God is REAL...." (feelings that, based on your post, are completely justified). Now, in my original response I said "stupid AND immoral" which means that some of his ideas were stupid, some were immoral, and some were both. "Take no thought for tomorrow" is an idea that is just stupid, not immoral. You see, I could have written "stupid AND/OR immoral" but that would make my sentence somewhat cumbersome to read so I chose to omit the "or." You see, the message was intended for my relative who isn't a complete moron such as yourself. If I were writing to you I might have, you know, dumbed it down some.

him for using the verse scrap as a excuse for wanting to drive cars and have electricity

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

Anyways, even if I were wrong in my understanding of the passage, I'm curious how you concluded that I must be purposely trying to misrepresent the Bible (which is funny, cuz' trashing your holy book while being honest is EASY). How did you rule out the possibility of me simply misunderstanding the passage? I'm very curious to hear your explanation, especially being that you've never interacted with me prior to writing this ludicrous post of yours.

So... to you redeeming people.. Is immoral? seriously? What kind of messed up version of pop morality do you subscribe to?

Here, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk

Lol, and my views are fucked up... Fucking brilliant.

How is resurrection immoral?

Please watch the video I that I posted a link to and read the last paragraph of my previous post.

"How could anyone imagine that the Jesus who preached brotherly love and peace making would condone such a thing.

You are aware that 'peace and brotherly love' Christ taught did have it's limits right? Or is humiliating the pharaisees over and over again, and whipping the money changers in the temple were the examples of the 'brotherly' love your thinking Christ taught.

Well, to be honest you're quoting my relative here (and you would have realized this if you'd taken more than five seconds to write this), so your feud is with her, not me... Honestly, I think that Jesus was a total hypocrite and that's why he preached brotherly love and forgiveness and then commenced damning people to hell. You know, it's kind of funny because what you're saying is really just a watered-down version of the point I was trying to make to her.

It would be laughable if it weren't so easy for the believers, terribly ignorant and violent s they are, to spread their influence."

You do know that no one in Christianity is currently waging a war to try and force belief. we are not cutting people's heads off and posting it on line. I think you've confused Christianity with another religion.

Oh, yeah, that's totally why we don't have people in congress trying to outlaw gay marriage, or why there aren't school systems trying to teach biblical mythology as fact to their students, and it's also why there's no anti-abortion violence. Oh, yeah, that's right... These things are all happening... Because of your moronic death-cult. As far as confusing it with another religion, maybe Islam as it is just as cancerous as yours is, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Uhh… Have you ever read the Bible?

Again, you're saying this because you're confusing something my relative said with something I said, but to answer your question, yes I have. My question to you is, Have you ever read anything in your life?

You do realize it says retarded shit like this, right?

2 Thessalonians 1
6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.................................

Amen! Which again is consistant with the other part of Jesus' ministry that you seem to be completely ignorant about.

Yes, so this is a telltale sign that you hastily skimmed through my post and didn't take two seconds to try and comprehend it because you have the attention span of an ant. If you had read it more closely you would realize that in one part you were quoting my relative and confusing it for something I said. You know, I appreciate you doing that, humiliating people is much easier when they do all the work for me and I simply have to point out their stupidity. Anyways, once again, you're presenting a watered-down version of the argument that I was trying to make to her.

Now, I don’t know about you, but I get the feeling that if you had the opportunity to question Jesus and ask him if he thought the biblical idea of eternal torture was moral; his answer would be a resounding “yes!!” I mean, could you REALLY, HONESTLY say he would disagree with something that his own holy scripture says? And even if you could, I would still contend that it’s definitely understandable how other Christians could conclude that he would be in agreeance with the Bible’s message, after all, he did supposedly author it. The Bible is a vague book and there are many different ways in which one might interpret it that would be completely understandable. Yours is just one of many.

JESUS INTRODUCTED AND IN DETAIL DESCRIBED HELL FOR THE FIRST TIME!!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancr...bout-hell/

The above is a link to what he had to say

Yes, and that's very interesting, I didn't realize that before starting this thread. This will come in very handy next time I need to explain to a Christian that Jesus was a complete fucking asshole. Thanks!

As far as that bit about believers being ignorant, the fact that you’ve seemingly overlooked the passages I pointed out makes your statement highly ironic (you’re obviously one of those Christians that likes to cherry pick from the Bible).

Oh irony... Nothing ensnares the oblivious and entertains the observant quite like you...

but one CAN arguably reason that Jesus would have condoned and even advocated for some pretty horrible attitudes and ideas

yeah like forgiveness!!!

Yeah, fucking forgiveness, like sentencing people to burn in hell for all eternity for their finite transgressions. Brilliant...

“I know that good and evil are both part of the Holy Spirit inside of each and every one of us.”

who are you quoting?

My relative you fucking dimwit. Wipe the drool from your face and pay attention please.

Please Define "holy spirit." This term is meaningless to me.

Hold on to something, because I'm about to make the meaningless, meaningful... Holy Spirit= God!

Wow... That is about the most useless, vague definition you could have possibly given... What's that supposed to mean? Depending on your Christian it could mean anything from a supernatural connection with god to a redundant label for a desirable human quality such as empathy... Fucking useless...

You know what dude, you're a troll aren't you? You must be! Awesome job dude! You got me... Kudos to you.

[Drich]

You do know that no one in Christianity is currently waging a war to try and force belief. we are not cutting people's heads off and posting it on line. I think you've confused Christianity with another religion.

This reminds me of a scene from The Jerk where Navin, guessing people's weights at a carnival, looks at shelves of potential prizes only to limit the winner to about three inches on one particular shelf.

You took all of history off the table for obvious reasons. Issues in Ireland weren't that long ago. Serbia ring a bell? Let me guess, the U.S. magically is no longer considered a Christian nation when it drops bombs in the Middle East for the better part of two decades. I'll just assume you have no knowledge of the Christian militias in the Central Africa Republic.

Wars are never exclusively about religion, but religion has always been used by those in power to manipulate and motivate the stupid masses. You will of course offer some weasel-dicked excuse that all Christian examples don't count because of some superficial caveat such as, they weren't trying to convert anyone, they weren't real Christians, we're all sinners, et al. ad nauseam.

What you apologists (for any religion proclaiming peace) never fail to address is why your morally bankrupt systems are incapable of preventing atrocities carried out by its practitioners. Humans were busy fucking each other over long before religion emerged, but there has been no single more malicious device for extending tribalism and creating us vs. them than religion.

Wiping the Abrahamic religions off the face of the Earth is not a panacea for all our ills, but doing so would negate one huge problem-inducing facet that would no longer have to be considered and overcome. Religion is part of the problem, not the solution. It's been tried for millenia and has failed miserably. Dragging you morons into modernity is becoming exhausting.

Actually I haven't. If you or anyone else in history can cite book chapter and verse that has God commanding the whole sale slaughter of non believers in the CHRISTIAN religion, as the god of islam requires then you may have a valid argument. Otherwise know just because someone claims to do something for God does not mean God or the Bible wants/requires it.

That would be no different than someone claiming to be an employee of Mars candy, telling people he has been authorized to have people product test a new poop based candy bar. Just because someone claims to do something in the name of a larger entity, does not mean that entity has sanctioned that action. If people eat this poop bar it is not the fault of Mars candy.

[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

Actually I haven't. If you or anyone else in history can cite book chapter and verse that has God commanding the whole sale slaughter of non believers in the CHRISTIAN religion, as the god of islam requires then you may have a valid argument. Otherwise know just because someone claims to do something for God does not mean God or the Bible wants/requires it.

That would be no different than someone claiming to be an employee of Mars candy, telling people he has been authorized to have people product test a new poop based candy bar. Just because someone claims to do something in the name of a larger entity, does not mean that entity has sanctioned that action. If people eat this poop bar it is not the fault of Mars candy.

Lol, didn't address a single point I made... Oh well, being that you apparently can't pay attention to a piece of reading material for more than 2 seconds I guess that is a bit much to ask of you...

[Cyberman]

I can't imagine anyone eating something that they're told is literally made of shit simply because there's a brand name on it. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

[Drich]

Grab some popcorn y'all... The fun starts now!

If you only knew, if you only knew.. Muwhaha

Well, you see, I actually spent the better part of my day researching this and hashing it out;

you on the other hand pulled this out of your ass in like five seconds because you were butt hurt over the fact that someone disagrees with your religious views, so... Yeah...

empty speculation; "You see, when you make an assertion as you are doing in this statement, you also need to explain the reasoning behind your point. "

My good Christian friend, you need to learn how to craft a basic argument. You see, when you make an assertion as you are doing in this statement, you also need to explain the reasoning behind your point. This is 6th grade shit we're talking here. Learning how to spell would also do you some good. Well, being that your god is a horrible writer, I guess it comes as no surprise that some of his followers are too. Go figure...

:roll eyes:
Oh, bother..
Sorry sport, but you failed to identify the subject matter. Your speaking as if I am trying to identify your friend and her take on the rapture as the subject. When in reality the subject is you and you complete lack of exegetical intrest, on the her theological take. That is why I said what she said about the rapture was close enough, and why I went on to say their was no need for correction. I was pointing out that your intrest was just to pu-poo on your friend, and not correct her theology.

Yeah; well being that nobody can really communicate with Christ and all we have from him is a vague book that is open to interpretation, how is anyone supposed to determine what he would consider a true Christian?

Christ said in mat 6 "we shall know them by their fruit." Meaning we can identifiy each other by what we produce in His name.
 

If you do not live naked and in a hollowed out (through natural erosion) tree you are abusing the environment. "Take no thought of tomorrow" is what is called a verse scrap. It does not reflect the context of the message. Both of you (him for using the verse scrap as a excuse for wanting to drive cars and have electricity, and you saying the verse scrap make Jesus Immoral) are foolish and guilt of mining the bible for scraps to justify what you want to believe. This is an intellectually dishonest practice.

(and I say this only in the dramatic sense) OH MY GOD!!! No! No! No! No! No! No! I do not have enough enough face nor enough palm right now!! You dimwit; No, that is not what I meant when I said abusing the environment and it's completely fucking obvious that I'm talking about Christians who use the verse to justify using the earth's resources in an unsustainable manner because they think Jesus will save us if we destroy our planet! Think! Fucking think before you type! Fucking duh!!!

... Yeah, I got that sport. And again that is a complete misuse of that passage. In the OP you characterized Jesus as being 'immoral/stupid' because of the reading that used that passage as a means to trash the environment. When infact in that passage Jesus is not speaking on environmental issues but in living in such a way as to trust God for our needs.

Here is what you said again:

Well I would certainly hope that you’d apply some critical thinking skills to Jesus’s ideas and not blindly believe everything he said; he did after all have a number of rather stupid and immoral ideas. I can think of a few right off the top of my head. "Take no thought for tomorrow," would be an excellent example; I’ve argued with Christians who use this verse to justify abusing the environment.

You are stating Jesus is immoral/stupid because of the stance someone took on environmental issue by taking a passage out of it's intended context. What I am saying is Frank (or whom ever your referring to) misusage of what Jesus originally said, and your judgement based on what he/frank said, and not contextual scripture makes his/frank reading and your conclusion based on his/frank reading (and not the actual context) as being intellectually dishonest. You can't call someone immoral/stupid, because of how someone else misquotes what they say.

Alright, you know what? Let's take a look at the passage. Here's a well documented explanation of Matthew 6: http://scalar.usc.edu/works/scalar-bible/matthew-6-niv

In a nutshell, Jesus is instructing his followers to give up their material possessions and trust that god will take care of them (And if you feel I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me). Now, I wouldn't necessarily say it's immoral but it is certainly stupid to believe on total faith that a magical sky-daddy is going to provide for you...

This is not what was being discussed in the OP. Environmental abuse was the catalyst not plain faith. You never even acknoweledge plain faith as being apart of the scripture scrap you quoted.

Well I would certainly hope that you’d apply some critical thinking skills to Jesus’s ideas and not blindly believe everything he said; he did after all have a number of rather stupid and immoral ideas. I canthink of a few right off the top of my head. "Take no thought for tomorrow," would be an excellent example; I’ve argued with Christians who use this verse to justify abusing the  environment.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you are in fact intelligent enough to understand why that's obviously a bad idea, despite my nagging feeling that you're going to come back asking the retarded question "Drrrrrr..... Why is it a bad idea? God is REAL...." (feelings that, based on your post, are completely justified). Now, in my original response I said "stupid AND immoral" which means that some of his ideas were stupid, some were immoral, and some were both. "Take no thought for tomorrow" is an idea that is just stupid, not immoral. You see, I could have written "stupid AND/OR immoral" but that would make my sentence somewhat cumbersome to read so I chose to omit the "or." You see, the message was intended for my relative who isn't a complete moron such as yourself. If I were writing to you I might have, you know, dumbed it down some.

Again, environmental abuse to most would be considered to be both stupid AND Immoral.
I may have refered to one specifically, but both are implied.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

Anyways, even if I were wrong in my understanding of the passage, I'm curious how you concluded that I must be purposely trying to misrepresent the Bible (which is funny, cuz' trashing your holy book while being honest is EASY). How did you rule out the possibility of me simply misunderstanding the passage? I'm very curious to hear your explanation, especially being that you've never interacted with me prior to writing this ludicrous post of yours.

Because again according to your quote from the OP you sumized (based on Frank's reading of mat 6) that Jesus was Stupid and Immoral. When infact the contextual reading of Mat 6 removed the qualifier you mentioned in the OP (Abusing the Environment as being stupid and Immoral) is not apart of the contextual reading of that passage, yet you took no issue in assigning that attribute to Christ anyway.

Here, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk

Lol, and my views are fucked up... Fucking brilliant.

I'm having a hard enough time trying to find enough intrest in following what you have to say. Why would I care what those who taught you to think as you do, have to say? This is a forum sporty, use your words, not someone elses.

Please watch the video I that I posted a link to and read the last paragraph of my previous post.

see above.

Well, to be honest you're quoting my relative here (and you would have realized this if you'd taken more than five seconds to write this), so your feud is with her, not me... Honestly, I think that Jesus was a total hypocrite and that's why he preached brotherly love and forgiveness and then commenced damning people to hell. You know, it's kind of funny because what you're saying is really just a watered-down version of the point I was trying to make to her.

:face palm:
Again your in a fourm, you must learn to use the proper format. You start the second paragraph with this statement:

Her full statement:

Then at the end you add your own commentary, which means her 'full statement' ended when your second paragraph did, and you began your commentary. Why? because your commentary was not included in her original statement
The fact that you added commentary is fine, but it must be formatted correctly if you want to distinguish your words from hers. You don't seem to have issue work the 'insert a quote' button. May I suggest in the future placing quoted material by using this button.

Oh, yeah, that's totally why we don't have people in congress trying to outlaw gay marriage, or why there aren't school systems trying to teach biblical mythology as fact to their students, and it's also why there's no anti-abortion violence. Oh, yeah, that's right... These things are all happening... Because of your moronic death-cult. As far as confusing it with another religion, maybe Islam as it is just as cancerous as yours is, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

You do know, that gay people are getting married, Schools teach aspects of all religion except Christianity, there is pro abortion violence, all with in the confines of the non religious community. Just flip the coin, everything you want to pin on religion the oppsite is happening inside of the godless culture as well.

You yourself maynot be a tumor that gets all the attention, but it does not mean your thoughts and ideas aren't just as cancerous. The only reason somelike you does not become cancerous is because you have not been set in the right cancer nourshing environment.

Again, you're saying this because you're confusing something my relative said with something I said, but to answer your question, yes I have. My question to you is, Have you ever read anything in your life?

If your not just another flash in the pan noob who burns out after a few posts like this one. ask me this again in a year.

Yes, so this is a telltale sign that you hastily skimmed through my post and didn't take two seconds to try and comprehend it because you have the attention span of an ant. If you had read it more closely you would realize that in one part you were quoting my relative and confusing it for something I said. You know, I appreciate you doing that, humiliating people is much easier when they do all the work for me and I simply have to point out their stupidity. Anyways, once again, you're presenting a watered-down version of the argument that I was trying to make to her.

I was showing a general inconsistency in a given system of belief. The statement stands no matter who ideology is being discussed.

Now, I don’t know about you, but I get the feeling that if you had the opportunity to question Jesus and ask him if he thought the biblical idea of eternal torture was moral; his answer would be a resounding “yes!!” I mean, could you REALLY, HONESTLY say he would disagree with something that his own holy scripture says? And even if you could, I would still contend that it’s definitely understandable how other Christians could conclude that he would be in agreeance with the Bible’s message, after all, he did supposedly author it. The Bible is a vague book and there are many different ways in which one might interpret it that would be completely understandable. Yours is just one of many.

Yes, and that's very interesting, I didn't realize that before starting this thread. This will come in very handy next time I need to explain to a Christian that Jesus was a complete fucking asshole. Thanks!

To which I will quote a selfrighteous douche:
Yes, so this is a telltale sign that you hastily skimmed through my post and didn't take two seconds to try and comprehend it because you have the attention span of an ant. If you had read it more closely you would realize that in one part you were quoting my relative and confusing it for something I said. You know, I appreciate you doing that, humiliating people is much easier when they do all the work for me and I simply have to point out their stupidity.
Your a self righteous douche who can't even stand up to his own measure!
You'll fit right in here, I for see you'll be an admin inside of 6 months!

As far as that bit about believers being ignorant, the fact that you’ve seemingly overlooked the passages I pointed out makes your statement highly ironic (you’re obviously one of those Christians that likes to cherry pick from the Bible).

Oh irony... Nothing ensnares the oblivious and entertains the observant quite like you...

to which I say:
Oh irony... Nothing ensnares the oblivious and entertains the observant quite like you!!!

but one CAN arguably reason that Jesus would have condoned and even advocated for some pretty horrible attitudes and ideas

Yeah, fucking forgiveness, like sentencing people to burn in hell for all eternity for their finite transgressions. Brilliant...

Too bad I am limited to only 10 emoties per post... You don't even need me, here! you are having this bigg puffed up argument all on your own!!!

What a douche! Mr. high horse wants to talk about skiming through and not paying attention to what people say!!!

Hold on to something, because I'm about to make the meaningless, meaningful... Holy Spirit= God!

Wow... That is about the most useless, vague definition you could have possibly given... What's that supposed to mean? Depending on your Christian it could mean anything from a supernatural connection with god to a redundant label for a desirable human quality such as empathy... Fucking useless...

then ask a follow up question sport. with people like you I have to start off very small and the build a bigger principle.

You know what dude, you're a troll aren't you? You must be! Awesome job dude! You got me... Kudos to you.

the word your looking for is poe. but I guess after that long drawn out verbal battle you had with yourself, and all the blaming others for not paying attention I could see where you'd make that one little mistake.

Oh, I wish I could see you face when you read this for the first time!

[Cato]

Actually I haven't. If you or anyone else in history can cite book chapter and verse that has God commanding the whole sale slaughter of non believers in the CHRISTIAN religion, as the god of islam requires then you may have a valid argument. Otherwise know just because someone claims to do something for God does not mean God or the Bible wants/requires it.

That would be no different than someone claiming to be an employee of Mars candy, telling people he has been authorized to have people product test a new poop based candy bar. Just because someone claims to do something in the name of a larger entity, does not mean that entity has sanctioned that action. If people eat this poop bar it is not the fault of Mars candy.

Right on cue with the weasel-dicked excuse I predicted, set up by your narrow definition. Because the words 'kill in the name of Christianity' aren't specifically written in The Bible doesn't mean that killing hasn't happened in the name of Christ. To think otherwise is idiotic. Whipping out a True Scotsman defense also doesn't change the fact that Christians have committed atrocities in Christ's name. Disagreeing with them doesn't make them any less Christian. The fact that there continues to be differences among adherents and that the religion itself was not a deterrent to ardent believers simply means that it is impractical and a failed moral system. Despicable.

[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP.....

Okay, so... dude? I read your post and I think we're done... Now, you seem to be an exceptionally stupid individual who has trouble understanding words (maybe that's why you bought into the Bible), so I'm going to use some pretty pictures so that you can understand what's happening here.

Here is you in this discussion:


And here's me:


Here's what you did all over my thread in your initial post:


Here is how I reacted to it:


And here's what I did to you in response:


And here's what you came back with:


And here's what I would be doing if I took the time to respond to you.


You can come back here and talk to me when you learn how to properly engage someone in a discussion (and spell properly too). Until then I would invite you to piss off because if you continue to post here you'll end up doing this to yourself:


Have a nice day jackass!

[robvalue]

I see you met Drich

[Drich]

Right on cue with the weasel-dicked excuse I predicted, set up by your narrow definition.

Because again the bible is the only thing we have been given to define Christianity. Which means the rules in it concerning what it is to be Christian are the only parameters we can use to define what it is to be Christian. it is how we can 'inspect fruit.'

Because the words 'kill in the name of Christianity' aren't specifically written in The Bible doesn't mean that killing hasn't happened in the name of Christ.

So? Anyone can do anything and proclaim he is doing it in the name of God. Again Mat 7 Jesus Himself warns us of the false prophets in mat 7: "you shall know them by their fruits" 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?  17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.  18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.  19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

If those who kill in the name of God do so with out scriptural precedent, they do so by their own want and will, not that of Christianity. Again their fruit has shown us who they really are and who they serve.

To think otherwise is idiotic.

What is truly idiotic as to assume that everyone who wears the name Christian is indeed working for God.

Whipping out a True Scotsman defense also doesn't change the fact that Christians have committed atrocities in Christ's name.

I thought I broke most of you from trying to march out the no true Scotsman defense..
If you want to be humiliated for not understand the no true Scotsman fallacy you can press the issue, but essentially the 'no true Scotsman fallacy' can only work if their aren't RULES to being a Scotsman. As in "No true Scotsman would put sugar in his porridge." Their are not rules on being a Scotsman concerning porridge.
How ever if I said not true Scotsman would ever be born to irish parents, live his who life and die irish then by definition if one were to do so he could not be considered a Scot.

Why? because the very definition of being a scot has been broken if the 'scotsman' were actually an irish citizen.
Like wise if someone (according to Christ in Mat 7) acts in a way not consistant with Christianity, he can not be considered Christian. Why? Because again their are core rules concerning who is and who iis not Christian.

To Kill/Murder is against a core value of Christianity. So if a 'spiritual leader' demand the whole sale slaughter of millions, then they are one of the 'false prophets' Jesus warned us of in mat 7.

Disagreeing with them doesn't make them any less Christian. The fact that there continues to be differences among adherents and that the religion itself was not a deterrent to ardent believers simply means that it is impractical and a failed moral system. Despicable.

Agreeing or disagreeing with someone has absolutely no bearing on whether or not they belong to one faith or another. It is adhearance to the rules that define one's allegances. In this case if their isn't scriptural precedence in any way shape or form then by their fruit we can judge those men as not acting in the will or on the behalf of God. Therefore to claim to have 'special revelation from God' only furthers supports what Jesus said about them being a false prophet. Which by the words of Christ in mat 7 means they are not Christian

[Drich]

DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP.....

Okay, so... dude? I read your post and I think we're done... Now, you seem to be an exceptionally stupid individual who has trouble understanding words (maybe that's why you bought into the Bible), so I'm going to use some pretty pictures so that you can understand what's happening here.

Here is you in this discussion:


And here's me:


Here's what you did all over my thread in your initial post:


Here is how I reacted to it:


And here's what I did to you in response:


And here's what you came back with:


And here's what I would be doing if I took the time to respond to you.


You can come back here and talk to me when you learn how to properly engage someone in a discussion (and spell properly too). Until then I would invite you to piss off because if you continue to post here you'll end up doing this to yourself:


Have a nice day jackass!

Sorry guys I think I already broke the noob!

 Until then I would invite you to piss off because if you continue to post here you'll end up doing this to yourself:

Kinda like how you did when you spent a 1/3 of your last post argueing with yourself and did even know it!!!


You spent 1/3 of your time chastising me for not knowing I wasn't speaking to you, but all the while it was you who was literally arguing with yourself/not speaking to me!!!
   

Then instead of admitting your own stoopidity you post pictures of different crap (literally) to try and red herring a win out of your fail!!!


I love the new guys.. I love how all of you are basically the same person with the same exact thoughts and ideas, with the same understanding that those broken ideas are uniquely your own and can not be answered by Christianity... What is absolute icing on the cake though is when one of you d-bags is belligerently arrogant about what you think you know, and I get to walk you through the truth of the matter, and because I take you to a place your youtube videos haven't instructed you on what to think about what has been said you become lost, and lash out. Some post gif's, memes other rant and cuss, you appearently argue with yourself so you can win the conversation. then rant and cuss.

I've been here a long time noob, and am not going anywhere any time soon, Lord and Mod willing. You will quickly learn if you haven't already that I am one of the few who really does research and double check everything, and not just claim to as you OBVIOUSLY do. Next time you come at me make you have your facts straight and your actually coming at me and not a strawman of yourself!