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Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
#11
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
Heaven is a halfpipe apparantly.
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#12
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
Heaven exists in the minds of men as a delusion. And only silly humans think there is a special sky daddy that actually cares about them.
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~ Erin Hunter
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#13
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
(September 15, 2015 at 11:48 pm)MentalGiant Wrote: So where do religious people think heaven exists? The earth's upper atmosphere? Within our solar system? Outside our observable universe? And WHY with so much real estate to lord over does god care what the fuck human beings do to the point of dictating the very last detail of our lives? Inquiring minds are looking to gain a greater understanding of what kind of delusional disorder we're actually dealing with here...

My personal belief is that it exists in another dimension outside of space and time and matter.  Since we can't think outside of that box, it's beyond our comprehension. The best way to describe it in a way that our small minds can semi imagine is that it's not a physical place, but rather, it's a state of being.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#14
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
Outside of space, time, and matter. or as Rob said, X+1, where X is the limit of scientific progress.

No, he doesn't give a crap about Humans. His favorite solution to any problem involves killing people. He wants you to be completely subservient to him, meaning he doesn't care what you think unless it lines up with what he thinks. He wants followers, but he's not motivated to ensure that at least most of the population of Earth follows him. He's happy to send most people to hell, which according to some denominations is eternal torture with fire.

The bible says for god so loved the world, but his actions towards people don't mesh with what he says. Followers of god concentrate on his words, and justify or ignore his actions. Others judge him by his purported actions if they even humor the idea that he exists at all. Which is still up for debate thousands of years after he started dictating to writers.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
Heaven is outside of space and time.  He cares about humans because we developed self awareness.  Other animals have also developed some level of self awareness.  Bottlenosed Dolphins for example.  That's not to say he doesn't care about animals that haven't developed self awareness.  I'm sure animals that haven't developed much awareness at all go to heaven too (not parasites or mosquitoes though.  Fuck mosquitoes.  I'm sure God hates them.  They're fucking terrible.) All the animals that aren't pests go to heaven too.  So humans are by no means special imo.  

I think of Earth as the Beta.  Everything in this world is just the test.  Not like a test of if you're good or bad, but a test to see if creations are 'beneficial' or 'harmful'.  Lions, dogs, cats, etc... they are beneficial.  Mosquitoes, parasites, they're harmful.  Heaven is the final product.
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#16
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
Lions can be pretty harmful....
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#17
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
Heaven:

At the end of the stairway that you buy?
180 degrees from hell?
At 7/11?
A place on earth?


Caring:

Doesn't as far as I can tell. Not even a xmas card.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#18
RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
(September 15, 2015 at 11:48 pm)MentalGiant Wrote: So where do religious people think heaven exists? The earth's upper atmosphere? Within our solar system? Outside our observable universe? And WHY with so much real estate to lord over does god care what the fuck human beings do to the point of dictating the very last detail of our lives? Inquiring minds are looking to gain a greater understanding of what kind of delusional disorder we're actually dealing with here...
Seems our resident 'mental giant' has been slain by the theories of super space/string theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superspace

I by far am no expert, but at the same time even in my faith can not exclude the idea of a dimensional reality beyond the 4 we/you can currently perceive.

If you look at the descriptions of God, Heaven and Hell and take away the church's rose colored glasses and simply look at what the bible describes from a non stereotypical religious view, One could indeed classify all of that is being inter dimensional or even trans dimensional being by definition. Then your 'quest' to identify a specific time and point in space where these things exist become... a trivial pursuit.
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RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
(September 16, 2015 at 12:16 pm)Divinity Wrote: Heaven is outside of space and time.  He cares about humans because we developed self awareness.  Other animals have also developed some level of self awareness.  Bottlenosed Dolphins for example.  That's not to say he doesn't care about animals that haven't developed self awareness.  I'm sure animals that haven't developed much awareness at all go to heaven too (not parasites or mosquitoes though.  Fuck mosquitoes.  I'm sure God hates them.  They're fucking terrible.) All the animals that aren't pests go to heaven too.  So humans are by no means special imo.  

I think of Earth as the Beta.  Everything in this world is just the test.  Not like a test of if you're good or bad, but a test to see if creations are 'beneficial' or 'harmful'.  Lions, dogs, cats, etc... they are beneficial.  Mosquitoes, parasites, they're harmful.  Heaven is the final product.

You've given a short shrift to the things you see as horrible.  In this world, the real world, they're important - useful...even required.  It's only in a fantasy land with magical beings that things like bugs, fungus, bacteria, and viruses become a bit difficult to square away.   Ever wonder whether (or why) you and "god" have the same list of -final products-?  Truth be told, if this is the beta - we're loosing to beetles and botflies by a wide margin.  Maybe they're on the list and we aren't......that would certainly explain the botflies......

All creatures are -both- beneficial and harmful. It's a simple matter of perspective.
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RE: Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?
(September 17, 2015 at 2:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You've given a short shrift to the things you see as horrible.  In this world, the real world, they're important - useful...even required.  It's only in a fantasy land with magical beings that things like bugs, fungus, bacteria, and viruses become a bit difficult to square away.   Ever wonder whether (or why) you and "god" have the same list of -final products-?  Truth be told, if this is the beta - we're loosing to beetles and botflies by a wide margin.  Maybe they're on the list and we aren't......that would certainly explain the botflies......

All creatures are -both- beneficial and harmful.  It's a simple matter of perspective.

What makes you so sure that your list is better than mine?  Also, you seem to be under the assumption that any creatures were actually intentional, and not unintentional (including humans).
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