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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 6:43 pm
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(September 19, 2015 at 1:14 pm)MTL Wrote: Emojis are really nothing more than modern hieroglyphics, when you think about it:
Not actually true... hieroglyphs actually represent sounds, not individual words or ideas. Even the modern AlphaBet comes from Aleph Beth, which meant "ox" and "house (or tent)", respectively, the names for the symbols of each letter. While I agree that, in general, the new shorthand employed by "kids these days!!!" is galling, that has always been true of the language of the younger generation when viewed by the older one (or by young ones who adopt the standards of the older group). The street-cant of the Droogies in A Clockwork Orange is the author's take on the evolution of language between generations, based on the changes he noticed and heard complained about in England, as he explains in the afterword of the edition I read.
And I think that emojis are a good way of injecting emotions into our online exchanges online, especially ones where a comment can be misconstrued as cruel or harsh, like sarcasm. In real life, we heavily employ visual and verbal-tone signaling to add "flavor" to our encoded messages (language), and without something akin to the smileyface, we are left to guess at the two other forms of communication intended by the author.
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 6:46 pm
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 7:25 pm
I may say a swear word here and there when in private conversation with a friend or family member, but usually don't in a more public setting.
I can't really explain why, since I don't think it's necessarily immoral to say a swear word (unless you're using it to attack, belittle, or berate someone else). I guess it's just not how I was raised. Doesn't have much to do with my faith I don't think. I don't know if atheists swear more than theists, though that's a good questions.
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 7:58 pm
BQ, I watched your vid.
You sound like a rated R Donald Duck cartoon!
I don't think you're swearing can ever intimidate anyone.
You're voice is just too cute, sorry.
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 8:17 pm
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(September 19, 2015 at 7:58 pm)ignoramus Wrote: BQ, I watched your vid.
You sound like a rated R Donald Duck cartoon!
I don't think you're swearing can ever intimidate anyone.
You're voice is just too cute, sorry. Grrr! I will be feared and respected! I am the ruler of the universe!
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm
(September 19, 2015 at 6:43 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 19, 2015 at 1:14 pm)MTL Wrote: Emojis are really nothing more than modern hieroglyphics, when you think about it:
Not actually true... hieroglyphs actually represent sounds, not individual words or ideas. Even the modern AlphaBet comes from Aleph Beth, which meant "ox" and "house (or tent)", respectively, the names for the symbols of each letter. While I agree that, in general, the new shorthand employed by "kids these days!!!" is galling, that has always been true of the language of the younger generation when viewed by the older one (or by young ones who adopt the standards of the older group). The street-cant of the Droogies in A Clockwork Orange is the author's take on the evolution of language between generations, based on the changes he noticed and heard complained about in England, as he explains in the afterword of the edition I read.
And I think that emojis are a good way of injecting emotions into our online exchanges online, especially ones where a comment can be misconstrued as cruel or harsh, like sarcasm. In real life, we heavily employ visual and verbal-tone signaling to add "flavor" to our encoded messages (language), and without something akin to the smileyface, we are left to guess at the two other forms of communication intended by the author.
I take no issue with the evolution of language. In fact, while it is undeniable that literacy, in the West, at least, is slipping, and the advancement of technology very arguably plays a role in facilitating that slippage, I am actually rather unimpressed with language purists who seem to think it is unacceptable for a language to change, even slightly.
It is the steadily diminishing vocabulary and comprehension that I bemoan, not the adaptation of meanings.
For instance, I am a Francophile. I love French. I particularly love Canadian French...whereas many other Francophiles tend to prefer Standard French or Parisian French, and eschew the harsh French-Canadian dialect
...or Cajun or other Colonial french dialects from around the world.
I saw this video on YouTube...a married couple who perform colonial french folk music, together.
He is Missouri French, she is not.
but she was a Francophile and a major in French for many years,
and she describes how her attitude came to change with regards to being a purist about French:
I did also acknowledge that emojis do help to compensate for the non-verbal communication
that is lost in the written word;
what I dislike is the inevitable human tendency to over-rely upon them, like a crutch,
rather than at least trying, a little bit, to challenge ourselves to convey an idea with words, rather than a picture.
And I would also argue that emojis can convey a sound, too.
I mean, don't these convey sounds to you?
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 9:37 pm
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(September 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm)MTL Wrote: I saw this video on YouTube...a married couple who perform colonial french folk music, together.
He is Missouri French, she is not.
but she was a Francophile and a major in French for many years,
and she describes how her attitude came to change with regards to being a purist about French:
The stage on which they are performing looks like the stage at The River Ridge Winery, only about 20 miles from my house. I know the owner, and frequently head up there for the music shows.
Addendum to Add: Nope, I looked on the actual YouTube channel, and I see it's the Fox Valley Folk Festival, near Chicago. But it totally looks like the big oaks by the River Ridge Winery stage.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 9:54 pm
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(September 19, 2015 at 9:37 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm)MTL Wrote: I saw this video on YouTube...a married couple who perform colonial french folk music, together.
He is Missouri French, she is not.
but she was a Francophile and a major in French for many years,
and she describes how her attitude came to change with regards to being a purist about French:
The stage on which they are performing looks like the stage at The River Ridge Winery, only about 20 miles from my house. I know the owner, and frequently head up there for the music shows.
Addendum to Add: Nope, I looked on the actual YouTube channel, and I see it's the Fox Valley Folk Festival, near Chicago. But it totally looks like the big oaks by the River Ridge Winery stage.
I see.
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RE: Do atheists care less about swearing?
September 19, 2015 at 10:20 pm
(September 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm)MTL Wrote: (September 19, 2015 at 6:43 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Not actually true... hieroglyphs actually represent sounds, not individual words or ideas. Even the modern AlphaBet comes from Aleph Beth, which meant "ox" and "house (or tent)", respectively, the names for the symbols of each letter. While I agree that, in general, the new shorthand employed by "kids these days!!!" is galling, that has always been true of the language of the younger generation when viewed by the older one (or by young ones who adopt the standards of the older group). The street-cant of the Droogies in A Clockwork Orange is the author's take on the evolution of language between generations, based on the changes he noticed and heard complained about in England, as he explains in the afterword of the edition I read.
And I think that emojis are a good way of injecting emotions into our online exchanges online, especially ones where a comment can be misconstrued as cruel or harsh, like sarcasm. In real life, we heavily employ visual and verbal-tone signaling to add "flavor" to our encoded messages (language), and without something akin to the smileyface, we are left to guess at the two other forms of communication intended by the author.
I take no issue with the evolution of language. In fact, while it is undeniable that literacy, in the West, at least, is slipping, and the advancement of technology very arguably plays a role in facilitating that slippage, I am actually rather unimpressed with language purists who seem to think it is unacceptable for a language to change, even slightly.
It is the steadily diminishing vocabulary and comprehension that I bemoan, not the adaptation of meanings.
For instance, I am a Francophile. I love French. I particularly love Canadian French...whereas many other Francophiles tend to prefer Standard French or Parisian French, and eschew the harsh French-Canadian dialect
...or Cajun or other Colonial french dialects from around the world.
I saw this video on YouTube...a married couple who perform colonial french folk music, together.
He is Missouri French, she is not.
but she was a Francophile and a major in French for many years,
and she describes how her attitude came to change with regards to being a purist about French:
I did also acknowledge that emojis do help to compensate for the non-verbal communication
that is lost in the written word;
what I dislike is the inevitable human tendency to over-rely upon them, like a crutch,
rather than at least trying, a little bit, to challenge ourselves to convey an idea with words, rather than a picture.
And I would also argue that emojis can convey a sound, too.
I mean, don't these convey sounds to you?
MTL, can you tell me which site you used for the little red guys holding the torches?
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