Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone

[rexbeccarox]

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And the rest of you, please stop quoting his videos and copypasta. It makes our job twice as hard.

[Faith No More]

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."Revelation 21:8

You do realize that threatening an atheist with hell is like me threatening to strangle you with the force, right?

[Grehoman Ebenezer]

The teleological argument states that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 1 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.So you said why would complexity be an indication of an intelligent design,simple,because the more complex something,the more knowledge is required in order to make the,thing/object,for example we human's are complex but yet simple,we don't make a noise when we move.The word teleology comes from telos, which means "purpose" or "goal." The idea is that it takes a "purposer" to have purpose, and so, where we see things obviously intended for a purpose, we can assume that those things were made for a reason. In other words, a design implies a designer. We instinctively make these connections all the time. The difference between the Grand Canyon and Mount Rushmore is obvious—one is designed, one is not. The Grand Canyon was clearly formed by non-rational, natural processes, whereas Mount Rushmore was clearly created by an intelligent being—a designer. When we are walking on a beach and find a wristwatch, we do not assume that time and random chance produced the watch from blowing sand. Why? Because it has the clear marks of design—it has a purpose, it conveys information, it is specifically complex, etc. In no scientific field is design considered to be spontaneous; it always implies a designer, and the greater the design, the greater the designer. Thus, taking the assumptions of science, the universe would require a designer beyond itself (i.e., a supernatural designer).

The teleological argument applies this principle to the whole universe. If designs imply a designer, and the universe shows marks of design, then the universe was designed. Clearly, every life form in Earth's history has been highly complex. A single strand of DNA equates to one volume of the Encyclopedia Britannica. The human brain has approximately 10 billion gigabytes of capacity. Besides living things here on Earth, the whole universe seems designed for life. Literally hundreds of conditions are required for life on Earth—everything from the mass density of the universe down to earthquake activity must be fine-tuned in order for life to survive. The random chance of all these things occurring is literally beyond imagination. The odds are many orders of magnitude higher than the number of atomic particles in the whole universe! With this much design, it is difficult to believe that we are simply an accident. In fact, top atheist/philosopher Antony Flew's recent conversion to theism was based largely on this argument.

In addition to demonstrating God's existence, the teleological argument exposes shortcomings in the theory of evolution. The  movement in science applies information theory to life systems and shows that chance cannot even begin to explain life’s complexity. In fact, even single-celled bacteria are so complex that, without all of their parts working together at the same time, they would have no survival potential. That means those parts could not have developed by chance. Darwin recognized that this might be a problem someday just by looking at the human eye. Little did he know that even single-celled creatures have too much complexity to explain without a creator!

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Yes, there's a specific prerequisite for a planet bearing life. Which explains why there are countless planets that we've seen that don't. That's not proof of design. at least not intelligent design. Did the creator just try and fail multi trillions of times, and finally succeed at this one? Eventually he got one right. Congrats. We see a lot of failed attempts, though.

A single cell is a modern evolutionary development. The early earth didn't have single cells. There were much more primitive things at the beginning. Even the simplest things we find today are a product millions of years in the making. The more complex somethign is, the more an indication that it wasn't designed. Or that it was designed very poorly.

The Human body is poorly designed. We have a quadrupedal skeleton while trying to walk upright. We have one tube for both digestion and breathing, with just a flap in between. we have several organs that will most likely need to be removed in our lifetimes so they don't cause lethal complications. Our children are born underdeveloped so that childbirth is even possible.

You don't need a "purposer" to have a purpose. Things that lack a purpose tend to die off, thus leaving only things that have beneficial or neutral effects.

Don't start with the watchmaker argument. Watches don't happen in nature. Neither do heads on mountains, though there are some things found in nature that look like they were created by someone. Humans love finding patterns, and they think this pattern couldn't come by change or natural effect. Except everything we've ever had a provable explanation for has been explained by natural processes.

DNA, like cells, are a modern development of something more primitive. It wasn't around in the beginning.

The odds are small, which is why it hasn't happened everywhere, but it did happen. If you have a deck of cards, you will eventually draw a royale flush. the odds are small, btu the more you try, the chances are you'll eventually get it. That doesn't mean some third party dictated you would get the royale flush. It just means anything that is possible will eventually happen.

If the universe really was designed, it wasn't intelligently.


Also it's not a good sign when you copy/paste answers from other places. Even if you want to cite a source, at least put it in your own words. There's an assumption that we would be debating YOU. Not some other article writer you googled.

If only,If I was allowed to copy and paste.But anyway the bible teach's that.The universe lost it's quality when Adam and eve sinned.so we see why our human body are poor,and the imperfection in the universe.

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"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."Revelation 21:8

You do realize that threatening an atheist with hell is like me threatening to strangle you with the force, right?qsdf

Yes,but the truth must be said.

[Randy Carson]

I will happily debate any atheist on this forum.

• Cosmological Argument
  
• Argument From Design
  
• Argument From Consciousness
  
• Ontological Argument
  
• Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus
  
• The accuracy of the bible
  
• Bible archaeology
  
• Proving other religion's false
  

Anyone can come forward,for a challenge against me.

[Grehoman Ebenezer]

See how dishonest these moderator's are they take away,my reasoning of evidence.DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT I DO THIS FOR YOUR SAKE,I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE IN HELL.
and yet you strive in unbelief.

[Chad32]

Human bodies are poor because Yahweh messed up or inflicted it on us. No wonder he's so unlikable.

We risk "hell" regardless. You risk hell yourself, because you're not a muslim.

[Grehoman Ebenezer]

Human bodies are poor because Yahweh messed up or inflicted it on us. No wonder he's so unlikable.

No its,because of Adam and eve's sin,if only if they would have obeyed him.I don't risk hell because I put my trust in God and tries to walk in his path,by following his command's.The quran false I read many articles on it and seen many videos on it,but unfortunately I can't show them here neither the videos nor the link's but only after the 30/30 rule .

[Randy Carson]

See how dishonest these moderator's are they take away,my reasoning of evidence.DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT I DO THIS FOR YOUR SAKE,I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE IN HELL.
and yet you strive in unbelief.

Read the rules.

30 days and 30 posts before you can start posting all that content.

[Mystic]

See how dishonest these moderator's are they take away,my reasoning of evidence.DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT I DO THIS FOR YOUR SAKE,I DON'T WANT YOU TO IN HELL.
and yet you strive in unbelief.

What makes you think they will be in hell? Unbeliever means one who disbelieves when they divine proof CLEARLY manifested and it has has entered their hearts but they deny. How do you know Atheists here know the truth but disbelieve in it?

My opinion is that people are lost regarding their true purpose without a Guide and guidance from God, but, that is not to say they are going to go to hell.

[rexbeccarox]

Holy crap. This guy caused me to kudos Randy. The apocalypse is upon us.