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October 22, 2015 at 11:48 am (This post was last modified: October 22, 2015 at 11:49 am by Drich.)
(October 22, 2015 at 11:32 am)Irrational Wrote:
(October 22, 2015 at 9:05 am)Drich Wrote: Ok so where did I hint at hate.. We've had probably a dozen different 'gay' debates since I've been a member here I invite you to go back and look at all of them and find something explicitly stated or not (show me where I was truly hinting at hate) So me something, or the comment can be dismissed as an unfounded ad hoc attack
You display a strong aversion to homosexuality for no reason other than because it's a sin.
I see homosexuality as a sexual sin. just like any other sexual sin. which covers everything from adultery to impure thoughts. Which I my self have struggled with. So I myself am guilty of the type of sin as any given homosexual. So how then can I have an aversion against anyone for falling into the same type of trap I've fallen into?
The only difference between me any them... I did not try and justify my sin. I never accepted it, and I struggled to separate myself from it and not let it consume me and or my identity. Which allowed me to eventually repent of it. And again To repent does not mean live sin free. it is to separate one's self from said sin and hate the sin/bondage while coming to understand that you are more than the sins that bind you.
We only know homosexuality is a 'sin' because the bible tells us it is. Of course the bible is full of all sorts of bullshit, so I've got no fucking idea why anyone takes it seriously. Maybe if Jesus actually wrote it himself. But I mean fuck. The text is so fucked up that you can't just believe it because it 'inspires' people. Fuck, Catcher in the Rye inspired Mark David Chapman to shoot Lennon. The Quran inspired 9/11. I wouldn't say inspiration has to come from God.
(October 22, 2015 at 11:58 am)Divinity Wrote: We only know homosexuality is a 'sin' because the bible tells us it is. Of course the bible is full of all sorts of bullshit, so I've got no fucking idea why anyone takes it seriously. Maybe if Jesus actually wrote it himself. But I mean fuck. The text is so fucked up that you can't just believe it because it 'inspires' people. Fuck, Catcher in the Rye inspired Mark David Chapman to shoot Lennon. The Quran inspired 9/11. I wouldn't say inspiration has to come from God.
Good NEWS Everyone!
He (Jesus Did!) He said in Mat 5: 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’[b]28 But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind.
Keep in mind Jesus not only support the OT view on sex outside of marriage He takes it a step further, and even forbad it in the mind. Which means the Only Sex one can have is in the confines of a sanctified marriage. which means ALL Other Forms of Sex (this includes Homosexual sex) have been forbidden!
(October 22, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Good NEWS Everyone!
He (Jesus Did!) He said in Mat 5: 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’[b]28 But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind.
Keep in mind Jesus not only support the OT view on sex outside of marriage He takes it a step further, and even forbad it in the mind. Which means the Only Sex one can have is in the confines of a sanctified marriage. which means ALL Other Forms of Sex (this includes Homosexual sex) have been forbidden!
You missed my fucking point by a mile. Jesus didn't write the fucking bible. He didn't write a goddamn thing. So how the fuck do you know what he said, other than that the Bible said that he did? The bible is full of bullshit, and there's no reason to believe a word of it.
(October 22, 2015 at 8:42 am)robvalue Wrote: If we haven't been given free will, it gets even more retarded. God makes things have a purpose, then doesn't allow us to choose whether or not to use them for that purpose. Since we have no input, unless he's constantly surprised by what happens, he knew all along whether or not we'd use things for their purpose.
We're a puppet show that he's made self aware. Once the show is over he punishes some of the puppets for things they had no say in.
What a dick. And by the same argument, he's designed me to think he's a vile monster. He's made me write this, saying what a lunatic he is. And then he'll punish me for his decision. There's no point preaching to me either since I have no decisions to make; although people don't have the choice whether to preach or not either.
What a bizarre belief system.
It's almost like he's a crude anthropomorphic creature created by ancients in order to give an explanation for things they didn't really understand....
Somewhat related:
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
October 22, 2015 at 12:55 pm (This post was last modified: October 22, 2015 at 1:26 pm by Crossless2.0.)
(October 22, 2015 at 12:47 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(October 22, 2015 at 8:42 am)robvalue Wrote: If we haven't been given free will, it gets even more retarded. God makes things have a purpose, then doesn't allow us to choose whether or not to use them for that purpose. Since we have no input, unless he's constantly surprised by what happens, he knew all along whether or not we'd use things for their purpose.
We're a puppet show that he's made self aware. Once the show is over he punishes some of the puppets for things they had no say in.
What a dick. And by the same argument, he's designed me to think he's a vile monster. He's made me write this, saying what a lunatic he is. And then he'll punish me for his decision. There's no point preaching to me either since I have no decisions to make; although people don't have the choice whether to preach or not either.
What a bizarre belief system.
It's almost like he's a crude anthropomorphic creature created by ancients in order to give an explanation for things they didn't really understand....
Somewhat related:
This won't make an impression on Drich since he's stated many times that God does not love everyone and that his forgiveness is conditional.
I'm curious to see whether having sex with my wife is a sin since our wedding wasn't "sanctified" in a church but was done in a JP's office. And if my civil marriage somehow absolves me of sexual sin when we make love, then why does that absolution not also apply to legally married gays and lesbians?
And if making love to my wife is sexual sin, then fuck Jesus raw.
(October 22, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: When you say 'sanctified marriage', does that include only those marriages that involved a Christian ceremony?
No, it means the marriages that follow the scriptural requirements, one does not have to be 'christian' to have a sanctified marriage
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