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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:07 pm
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2015 at 6:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You'd be wrong, I intentionally chose each number in both examples. There were two designed things, and their designer, staring you in the face and you failed to recognize either of them. Seems you're not good enough at this to determine whether two short sets of numbers are intentional or designed or random...you might be significantly worse at determining whether or not the universe was designed.
Equipment slightly more effective than your eyes seems to be required. In the case of both BBT and Modern Synth, such equipment exists and was used to arrive at our current understanding.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:16 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:49 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 5:36 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: im not sourcing Einsteins knowledge of biology but his awareness of an intelligent design to the universe in his study of physics which is the natural science that involves the study of matter and its motion through space and time and energy.
Why don't you quote Hawking?
He is every bit as intelligent as Einstein, has a greater understanding of the universe (physics has come a long way since Einstein), and has made just as important discoveries as Einstein.
And he finds no evidence of an intelligent being in the existence of the universe.
"However, if we discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable by everyone, not just by a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God."
- Stephen Hawking (from A Brief History of Time - page 193 - actually the concluding paragraph!)
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:17 pm
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You kidding with that one? Don't do it....you'll just be proving Esqui completely right in every particular.....
Quote:Hawking now explained: "What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God. Which there isn't. I'm an atheist."
He added: "Religion believes in miracles, but these aren't compatible with science."
http://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking...is-no-god/
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:23 pm
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(October 29, 2015 at 6:16 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: "However, if we discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable by everyone, not just by a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God."
- Stephen Hawking (from A Brief History of Time - page 193 - actually the concluding paragraph!)
So, basically - you found the word "God" and assumed it somehow means, that an atheist's book supports your position? Lol, but /smh at the same time...
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:27 pm
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Yeah, it's pretty clear that poor old Jen went out and did exactly what was expected of her. I don't think this is going to be a watershed moment for her, on that count, though. Meh.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:30 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah, it's pretty clear that poor old Jen went out and did exactly what was expected of her. I don't think this is going to be a watershed moment for her, on that count, though. Meh.
We've officially reached the point where there's no doubt that the entirety of Jen's output is just "whatever needs to be said to reach the conclusion I've already come to at the most surface possible level," and not an actual discussion on any level. It's just lines to a preferred ending.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:34 pm
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(October 29, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 5:16 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: when i look around me i see complex organization everywhere doesnt appear random at all maybe you see disorder but i just dont
When children look around - they see magic everywhere. That's because they have very little information about how the world actually works. If you ever bothered to study some of the many things about which you made uninformed but emotionally pleasing opinions, you'd find out that your perception of "organization" and "randomness" is unsubstantiated and very naive.
are you suggesting that Einstein also had very little information about how the world worked ? Einstein developed the theory of relativity [/url], one of the two pillars of modern physics . He received the 1921 Nobel Prize for his "services to theoretical physics", in particular his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect a pivotal step in the evolution of quantum theory .[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-8]
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:36 pm
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Stop, please, you're digging your hole so deep it won't be any fun to piss on you. I have this compulsion to reach in and help you out - and that means work.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:51 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 6:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Stop, please, you're digging your hole so deep it won't be any fun to piss on you. I have this compulsion to reach in and help you out - and that means work.
just because i disagree with you doesnt mean im digging any hole for myself neither you or science have it all figured out im just stating the obvious why are you getting so upset ? i believe in God and you dont thats all there is to it . you cant prove there wasnt an intelligent plan concerning evolution and i cant prove my position , but to me and einstein it doesnt seem random at all i dont see anything random about any of it . show me any disorganization with any of it ..
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:52 pm
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2015 at 6:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me. It has everything to do with you being consistently and demonstrably wrong. Let it sink in.
Quote:i believe in God and you dont thats all there is to it .
There seems to be a fair bit more to it.
Quote:you cant prove there wasnt an intelligent plan concerning evolution
I don't have to.
Quote: and i cant prove my position ,
You -do- have to....or at least you have to try.......or, oh, IDK...stop making the claims you've been making.
Quote: but to me and einstein it doesnt seem random at all i dont see anything random about any of it .
Appeals to authority are not made more compelling by repetition. Since neither you nor I believe that all of this is explained by random "x"...why should I have to provide you with that?
Quote: show me any disorganization with any of it ..
-see above.
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