Is Depression/Annnxiety from the Bullshit You Experience or are You Prone to it?

[Aroura]

More than 40% (some studies show as high as 58%) of people with personality disorders have a parent with the same disorder.

On the surface, this doesn't seem to indicate that it's inheritable and not environmental.  (e.g. I grew up with my father, it would be surprising if I didn't emulate him in many ways, even if we weren't directly related).  Now, if the parents were absentee, that would be more definitive.

They found some genes associate with it, and multiple studies have been done, including on twins.
Environment still seems to be the stronger cause, but that is the case with almost all mental issues.  I'm just saying personality disorders specifically appear to be highly heritable.

study

[Aroura]

Also, this is for a specific personality disorder (sadly...mine), but ALL the class B ones seem to have this new information emerging, that they are more genetic than previously thought.



BPD article

Genetic Studies
There is substantial scientific evidence that BPD is highly heritable—a finding that suggests that brain abnormalities of this disorder are a consequence of genes involved in brain development (similar to what is known about schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and autism).
A systematic review of the heritabil­ity of BPD examined 59 published stud­ies that were categorized into 12 family studies, 18 twin studies, 24 association studies, and 5 gene-environment inter­action studies.3 The authors concluded that BPD has a strong genetic compo­nent, although there also is evidence of gene-environment (G.E) interactions (ie, how nature and nurture influence each other).
The G.E interaction model appears to be consistent with the theory that ex­pression of plasticity genes is modified by childhood experiences and environ­ment, such as physical or sexual abuse. Some studies have found evidence of hypermethylation in BPD, which can ex­ert epigenetic effects. Childhood abuse might, therefore, disrupt certain neuro­plasticity genes, culminating in morpho­logical, neurochemical, metabolic, and white-matter aberrations—leading to pathological behavioral patterns identi­fied as BPD.

Looking into anything regarding the Class B Personality disorders, and you'll see similar findings.

It used to be thought that only class A were very heritable, so these are all relatively new findings.  But over 100 studies done all back each other up.

[Edwardo Piet]

Thanks for demystifying my false beliefs with some real evidence Aroura, you're a fucking legend

[Aroura]

Thanks for demystifying my false beliefs with some real evidence Aroura, you're a fucking legend

You are sweet Evie. : lol.  I'm not a legend by any means.  I have just been researching my own condition a lot lately.  For all I know, these studies are all flawed. 

[robvalue]

P.S. it's also my belief that the efficacy of therapy is significantly affected by the attitude of the patient (ie. a patient who doesn't see value in therapy and doesn't put in the work isn't going to benefit from it).

Absolutely. To gain any benefit, you need to commit to trying. Even if what gets suggested seems dumb, and does nothing at all to begin with, you have to persist. Of course there is no guarantee any particular therapy will work, but if you write it off without trying, then it certainly won't.

When I was first introduced to cognitive behaviour therapy, my reaction was that it was bollocks. It wouldn't help me. It was stupid, and obviously I'd "tried that already". But despite my preconceptions, I put all my effort into it. I'm so glad I did, because it saved me.

[Heat]

I don't have time to tell my story, but I had depression for about three years, no anti depressants worked.

Finally I was prescribed ADHD medication, because I also have that, and while my doctor was in the mood of trying anything to see if it would work(since nothing did) I got prescribed Focalin.
Once I started taking ADHD medication, I finally started getting better, and it worked. I wouldn't be an atheist without it.

You see, it didn't help me improve my grades, it didn't help me be less anti-social. It didn't change anything visibily, but mentally.
Instead of lugging through every day, I now for once, started wondering about things, started to critically think, whereas before it was to the point where any thinking at all seemed like a chore, I started wanting to learn.

After two years since starting the meds i'm not really passionate about anything in particular(except Astronomy), but not like anything in terms of after school activities and what not.
However, the past two years, I have strived to make every single day good. For the past two years, I have been learning, it gave me a passion to learn, which is better than a passion for anything physical in my opinion.

Don't know why I said this, I don't even know what the threads really about,
meh.

[robvalue]

Interesting

There are indeed a great deal of different anti-depressants, in different "families", which work in a variety of ways. It often seems to be a case of just trying each one (under your doctor's supervision of course!) until you find one which helps you. I went through four different types I think. The first three either helped only a little, did nothing, or even made me worse. But in some sort of Goldilocks way, the fourth one was just right, and had a very noticeable effect within a relatively small length of time.

So I'm saying that if you are at the point of trying meds, don't give up if the first one is a bust.

[Edwardo Piet]

Thanks for demystifying my false beliefs with some real evidence Aroura, you're a fucking legend

You are sweet Evie. : lol.  I'm not a legend by any means.  I have just been researching my own condition a lot lately.  For all I know, these studies are all flawed. 

Not by any means? Not even my sens-it-iv fee-wings?

[Rhondazvous]

There have been times in my life when I’ve experienced extreme anxiety when someone insist that I do something that will place me in a vulnerable situation, or what I see as a vulnerable situation, and asks me to trust them. It may go back to when I was 4 and my grandfather’s friends took me on a roller coaster. My mother tells me I was nervous for day. .

Also, then I was little, my mother and them tried to make me take a shower in a tub where the mildew was so much that the corners were black. I’d cry and refuse to get in. I couldn’t explain my fear to them nor understand why people who’s supposed to love and protect me were trying to force me to get in. why did they ignore my distress?

I wouldn’t talk to a psychiatrist about my fear of heights because he might try to force me face those fears. I didn’t live to be 50 years old by facing all my fears.
It’s hard to say how much of what I feel sometimes is genetic and how much is situational. I might have to live my life all over with the same genetic and chemical makeup but without the external stressors and see what happens.

Of course, I’d have to go live on a different planet where there are no stressors.

[robvalue]

I'm very sorry for what you went through