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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 10:58 pm
(December 2, 2015 at 10:55 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: (December 2, 2015 at 10:48 pm)The_Empress Wrote: I went to Anaheim Hills Elementary School!
If you're around for a little bit, and feel like coming down to Carlsbad (I don't have a car), we could hang out for a beer 
You were in the fancy part of Anaheim. I was way over in the west side. West of beach blvd.
Hanging out for a beer would be great! Unfortunately I'm down here dealing with aging, dysfunctional parents. Flew down on an emergency basis. Spent the day cleaning up extreme hoarding behavior. Fun!
Carlsbad is nice. Looked at a house there at one time.
Bummer. Good luck with your folks. I hope everything's ok.
If you're ever in the area again, hit me up!
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:09 pm
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(December 2, 2015 at 10:55 pm)marko Wrote: I don't claim personal appeals, or quote holy books. But I believe, and also believe Athiests are driven to their beliefs firstly by rejecting God. Not that theres anything wrong with that. Whether evolution is factual or not does not interest me. I was raised Christian, have altered what I believe, and am looking for Athiests to be honest how they arrived at what they believe.
Oh please...
I don't "reject God". I simply do not believe any god exists.
Do you reject the Hindu, Muslim, Zoroastrian gods? Or do you simply disbelieve they exist?
I honestly arrived at my disbelief by never being presented with demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support the claim that a god does exist.
I am open to being convinced, but it will take more than ancient texts, anecdotal stories, fallacious philosophical arguments and all the other poor evidence provided by theists so far.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:19 pm
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(December 2, 2015 at 10:55 pm)marko Wrote: I don't claim personal appeals, or quote holy books. But I believe, and also believe Athiests are driven to their beliefs firstly by rejecting God. Not that theres anything wrong with that. Whether evolution is factual or not does not interest me. I was raised Christian, have altered what I believe, and am looking for Athiests to be honest how they arrived at what they believe.
You offer no evidence and admit your indoctrination only to be bewildered by those that have never been indoctrinated or have broken its shackles; insincere ignorant incredulity.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:25 pm
I do not quote texts, raise stories or argue philisophy. As far as Hindu, Islam etc., I research them, accept them, reject them or look further. You say you do not reject the concept of God, but do not explain. ( But you do not believe, which is fine). Most people in this country are raised with a belief in God and come to a point in their life whether they accept it anymore or not. If not, it is rejected. If you do not like the termonology, thats for you.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:28 pm
(December 2, 2015 at 11:25 pm)marko Wrote: I do not quote texts, raise stories or argue philisophy. As far as Hindu, Islam etc., I research them, accept them, reject them or look further. You say you do not reject the concept of God, but do not explain. ( But you do not believe, which is fine). Most people in this country are raised with a belief in God and come to a point in their life whether they accept it anymore or not. If not, it is rejected. If you do not like the termonology, thats for you. We reject the idea of god.
We do not hate god.
Hate implies something has to be real before even making the claim, because you cannot hate something that does not exist. So this is not the same terminoloy as rejection. Rejecting an idea simply means to disbelieve its accuracy, which is what atheists believe, we do not hate god, because we do not think the claim of one existing is accurate in the first place.
Which is better:
To die with ignorance, or to live with intelligence?
Truth doesn't accommodate to personal opinions.
The choice is yours.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:31 pm
Again, it is not about rejecting God. It is about coming to the conclusion that belief in such is unwarranted.
I grew up believing in Santa and the tooth fairy. Did I reject them when I got older? No. I simply found belief in them unwarranted. Same with God.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:53 pm
Lets hope you dug a little deeper than Santa and the tooth fairy in determining if God exists, Most people believe it carrys a little more weight. As I said, I am looking for what brings one to Athiesm. I do not believe Atheists are doomed, or damned, or going to hell. I do not believe God cares, anymore than a parent would doom their child for hating them. As for evidence for God, there is good and bad in the world. It is a cause of our free will. You can't have good without bad. We all have choices, challenges, hopes and regrets. And none of it would work if we knew Dad was home. You don't have the kegger at home if mom and dad are around. The fact that there is no evidence is how its supposed to seem, THATS THE POINT.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 2, 2015 at 11:55 pm
... not even a good Poe.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 3, 2015 at 12:09 am
(December 2, 2015 at 11:53 pm)marko Wrote: The fact that there is no evidence is how its supposed to seem, THATS THE POINT.
Weapons grade stupidity. Holy fuck.
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RE: So your an Athiest
December 3, 2015 at 12:15 am
(December 2, 2015 at 11:53 pm)marko Wrote: Lets hope you dug a little deeper than Santa and the tooth fairy in determining if God exists, Most people believe it carrys a little more weight. As I said, I am looking for what brings one to Athiesm. I do not believe Atheists are doomed, or damned, or going to hell. I do not believe God cares, anymore than a parent would doom their child for hating them. As for evidence for God, there is good and bad in the world. It is a cause of our free will. You can't have good without bad. We all have choices, challenges, hopes and regrets. And none of it would work if we knew Dad was home. You don't have the kegger at home if mom and dad are around. The fact that there is no evidence is how its supposed to seem, THATS THE POINT. Really you're going to assert AGAIN that we hate god? After already being explained? Alright, fair enough, well by your own admission you hate 99% of the other gods except yours in that case. Oh what's the matter, you don't like when we use your own logic against you? Too bad.
Santa clause and the tooth fairy are just as plausible as god, he doesn't have to put anymore thought in to it, god is of the same importance, it is just as fanciful and made up as is santa and the tooth fairy, and the only reason you believe it should be more important is because of social popularity and indoctrination.
If you are just going to keep ignoring people that prove your arguments wrong, and re asserting them as if right by default, you can sincerely get the fuck off this forum.
And lastly, go ahead and believe god is correct and he intends there to be no evidence, just know, you are completely and utterly incorrect, and are basing your argument on nothing other than imaginative wishfulness. So here's a quote:
"The belief in a god that has an important message for mankind, that somehow only reveals himself to certain individuals who then write this down and thousands of years later after this initial revelation we have to rely on copies of copies of translations of copies by anonymous authors with no originals. And the textual testimony to a miracle for example the loaves and fishes there's no amount of reports anecdotal tesimonial reports that could be sufficient to justify believing that this event actually happened as reported, no amount. And anything that would qualify as a god would clearly understand this, and if he wanted to convey this information to people in a way that was believable would not be relying on text's to do so, and this to me is the nail in the coffin for christianity.
The god that christians believe in is amazingly stupid if it wants to actually achieve its goal of spreading this information to humanity by relying on text, by relying on languages that die off, by relying on anecdotal testimony. That's not a pathway to truth, and anything that would qualify for God should know this. Which means either that God doesn't exist, or doesn't care enough about those people who actually understand the nature of evidence to actually present it." - Matt Dillahunty
Which is better:
To die with ignorance, or to live with intelligence?
Truth doesn't accommodate to personal opinions.
The choice is yours.
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