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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:08 pm
(December 11, 2015 at 9:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (December 11, 2015 at 8:50 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: How exactly do you think you're religious and how does that compare to actual religiosity?
You probably know my line on soldiering, you probably know that I'm a rabid patriot, and I'm certain that my wife is the greatest human being that's ever lived. I don't think it would be difficult to argue that my behavior and positions in just those three areas at least borders on religiosity, if it doesn't effectively stand in for religiosity. They affect my decisions, and while I hold them to be absolutely true I cannot demonstrate that any of them -are- true.
I don't think you honestly are or believe those things. You just have biases and feelings and you can't reconcile them with reality.
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:10 pm
(December 11, 2015 at 9:05 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: (December 11, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I think you're getting too heated and completely ignoring the point of the OP. You believe the numbers can change, and they can, but the deeper question is why don't they? I believe there are strong reasons why they don't change; you do not. We disagree and I don't know how much further than that you can get.
I'm not getting too heated. It was simply a show of exasperation. I can't say fuck without you getting agitated?
You can get a lot further by talking about why we disagree. I get the impression you do because you got misinformed.
Misinformed how?
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:10 pm
You should probably stop editing your own reply for anything other than spelling or grammatical mistakes. I used to do that to, but it's better to just write something new. Otherwise you're confusing me.
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm
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(December 11, 2015 at 9:08 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I don't think you honestly are or believe those things. You just have biases and feelings and you can't reconcile them with reality. b-mine.
....sounds alot like religion to me.......... 
I honestly am those things..btw. I make no argument as to any of them being true, but for me, they are - regardless.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm
(December 11, 2015 at 9:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (December 11, 2015 at 9:05 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I'm not getting too heated. It was simply a show of exasperation. I can't say fuck without you getting agitated?
You can get a lot further by talking about why we disagree. I get the impression you do because you got misinformed.
Misinformed how?
I'm not sure yet. Maybe I'm wrong - I just made an observation.
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:12 pm
(December 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (December 11, 2015 at 9:08 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I don't think you honestly are or believe those things. You just have biases and feelings and you can't reconcile them with reality.
....sounds alot like religion to me..........
One thing at a time. Let's get rid of religion first, than we can deal with the more trivial stuff you're going through.
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Let's continue this convo later or at some other time. I'm taking a break.
It's been a great pleasure, honestly.
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:14 pm
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None of it is trivial -to me-. I hold the dignity and goodness of a soldier as firmly as a catholic holds to the trinity...and presented with an example of a "bad soldier".....my gut reaction, is that they were obviously not true soldiers™. Mercs, maybe, rebels, insurgents, pretenders. Not soldiers. Ditto to America and Americans. You asked for an example of my religiosity, these things fit that bill - even if they aren't traditional (or don't seem to be to you).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:21 pm
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(December 11, 2015 at 5:16 pm)SteveII Wrote: (December 11, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Where are you getting that 90% of the world believes in god?
Arguments are arguments. They don't prove anything.
Try again.
Wikipedia: Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 11% of the world's population
The rest of your post does not make any sense.
Your best source is a wiki? A website that can be edited by anyone, at any time? Not to mention that you don't exactly address the question. I'll ask again, Where are you getting that 90% of the world believes in god?
Sooo......
What else ya got? 
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
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RE: What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God?
December 11, 2015 at 9:24 pm
(December 11, 2015 at 9:21 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: (December 11, 2015 at 5:16 pm)SteveII Wrote: Wikipedia: Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 11% of the world's population
The rest of your post does not make any sense.
Your best source is a wiki? A website that can be edited by anyone, at any time?
Sooo......
What else ya got?
If you read that wikipedia page closely enough you find it points to references at the bottom of the page. Here are the links following the statement quoted by the OP.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/wt...518375.stm
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications.../2122.html
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/globa...ffiliated/
http://www.wingia.com/web/files/news/290/file/290.pdf
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