Bible says convert or kill the nonbelievers too. Thumbs down for Christianity...

[Huggy Bear]

Hey, asswipe.  The word "Yehud" originally referred to a region not an ethnic group.  They were ethnically all fucking Canaanites.  The "Jews" were a political creation of the Persian empire.  And as far as not converting to it....tell it to the Hasmonean kings at the end of the first century.  They'd gladly take a piece of your dick off.

From your own source.

(Speaking of the Babylonian "Exile" and alleged "return," Finkelstein writes:

This is also the moment in history when we must change our terminology. The kingdom of Judah becomes Yehud - the Aramaic name of the province in the Persian Empire. - and the people of Judah, the Judahites, will henceforth be known as Yehudim, or Jews.

The Bible Unearthed - Page 297

*Emphasis mine*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience. Unlike most other social groups, ethnicity is primarily an inherited status. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.

Canaanites were polytheistic, Israelites\Jews have ALWAYS been monotheistic, so I don't know how you figure the Jews were formerly Canaanites.

[Minimalist]

No, asshole.  There is no evidence...aside from your fairy tale bible stories which are what is under scrutiny, that the denizens of Judah were "jews" in any sense of the word we understand.  

Again, if you could put your fucking bible down long enough to learn something you might try reading William Dever's "Did God Have A Wife."  It will scare the shit out of you.

And, btw, Finkelstein ascribes the changeover to the Persian period so learn to read, too.

This will only frighten you a little.....

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Hey, asswipe.  The word "Yehud" originally referred to a region not an ethnic group.  They were ethnically all fucking Canaanites.  The "Jews" were a political creation of the Persian empire.  And as far as not converting to it....tell it to the Hasmonean kings at the end of the first century.  They'd gladly take a piece of your dick off.

From your own source.






*Emphasis mine*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience. Unlike most other social groups, ethnicity is primarily an inherited status. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.

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Canaanites were polytheistic, Israelites\Jews have ALWAYS been monotheistic, so I don't know how you figure the Jews were formerly Canaanites.

Who were those folks that Aaron built the golden calf to worship?  You know, the ones that followed Moses around like they were sheep following their shepherd?

[dyresand]

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From your own source.






*Emphasis mine*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

Who were those folks that Aaron built the golden calf to worship?  You know, the ones that followed Moses around like they were sheep following their shepherd?

Unless they visited India but the calf and cow are worshiped their.

[Godscreated]

I've been saying islam is pathetically evil... because it says to convert or kill the nonbelievers... but little did I know... the holy bible has the same thing...
Proverbs 8:36 "But if you wrong me, you damage your very soul; when you reject me, you’re flirting with death.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=MSG

According to Phil Robertson... that means convert or kill the nonbelievers... 

Observe: https://youtu.be/NuJF4KJVftQ?t=2m36s

Fastforward to 2m 36s

Either phil robertson is mighty fucking insane... or his bible REALLY says convert or kill the nonbelievers, just like islam(Or both)... if that's true... boy, am I mighty fucking glad I'm an atheist...

I will admit, I never read the whole bible... it's too boring to get past the first couple of pages in genesis... so I am not familiar with ALL the lies and fear mongering that's in it.... I'm aware of some of it... but not all... I'm certainly aware of enough to decide Christianity is definitely not a religion I want any part in...

No it doesn't say convert or kill, not even close. Jesus told His disciples if they are reject in a city they were to knock the dust of the town from their sandels and leave the town. This is far from killing anyone. Maybe if you were to read the Bible you wouldn't have to ask such question.

GC

[Godscreated]

That's an interpretation though... it's just as valid as Phil Robertsons "convert or kill nonbelievers" interpretation... and that isn't saying much. Every religious person has their own interpretation of the bible and that played a part in forming the thousands of christian denominations. 

The problem with interpretation, is that you can literally pick a bible passage and twist it to fit your beliefs. For example, some people respond to the slavery thing in the bible
 by saying that we shouldn't take the bible word for word. That's a pathetic cop out.

And as for hating god means loving death... that's a false dichotomy. Just because I hate the character of god due to the atrocities committed in the bible, doesn't mean I want to die. Can you imagine if someone said to you "You hate voldemort from Harry Potter, therefore you must love death"?

The death the passage was speaking of was the ever lasting separation from God, as I said above if you were to take the time and read the Bible you might not have to ask such questions.
You're correct many people interpret the Bible to suit their own preconceived ideas, many of us allow God to show us the truth of His scriptures.

GC

[Minimalist]

You're correct many people interpret the Bible to suit their own preconceived ideas,

But you would never do that, would you G-C?

Cuz....you're a TRUE XTIAN!

[Edwardo Piet]

Unfortunately. I prefer the bogus ones.

[Drich]

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So.... A Passage in PROVERBS= a command to kill non believers.

First do you know what the word Proverb means? it's an english word that means a short pithy saying or piece of general advise. Like a penny saved is a penny earned, or early to bed early to rise, an apple aday etc...

Now if one were to actually read proverbs 8 one could see "Wisdom" is what is being described in the first person.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

35 Those who find me find life,
    and the Lord will reward them.
36 But those who do not find me put their lives in danger.
    Whoever hates me loves death.”

Remember the writer of this proverb was talking to the OT Jew. Their wasn't a Jesus nor is this a prophesy. Again if you read from the beginning to the end of this proverb you will see the writer is describing one's relationship with wisdom.

"If you find wisdom you will find life, and God will reward them if you do not find wisom, or hates wisdom loves death."

Again simply read the passage from beginning to end.

That's an interpretation though...

actually it's not.
it is a request that one read the passage contextually, and not add or take anything away from the chapter.
The chapter explains itself, without adding any interpretation to it.

It seems you are confused with a contextual reading and an interpretation.

it's just as valid as Phil Robertsons "convert or kill nonbelievers" interpretation...

Again no, because Phil is not reading from a book of the Law. Add to that the passage does not contain the Phrase "Kill the unbelievers" That addition to the contextual passage, my confused atheist is a interpretation "To explain in such a way as to include your own feelings about something"

and that isn't saying much. Every religious person has their own interpretation of the bible and that played a part in forming the thousands of christian denominations. 

you are trying to paint with a broad brush here sport, and it has failed.
Not everyone interprets or changes the bible when they read it. That is a falsehood. Some people read and apply it contextually. Those who 'interpret' tend to use verse scraps or compile cherry picked verses from all over the bible or shun contextual readings inorder to make and validate their own points.

The problem with interpretation, is that you can literally pick a bible passage and twist it to fit your beliefs. For example, some people respond to the slavery thing in the bible
 by saying that we shouldn't take the bible word for word. That's a pathetic cop out.

indeed that is why most do not do it.

And as for hating god means loving death... that's a false dichotomy. Just because I hate the character of god due to the atrocities committed in the bible, doesn't mean I want to die. Can you imagine if someone said to you "You hate voldemort from Harry Potter, therefore you must love death"?

Ahhh, no. God is the giver of life (eternal). To hate God/The giver of eternal life means one is sentenced to death.

So it can be poetically said: "To hate God means one loves death."