Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

When I see "arguments" like - "If Jesus and Afterlife isn't real what's stopping you from raping children and peeing on babies?" and I'm almost always like


That right there is the modern bible baby.

[Gawdzilla]

When I see "arguments" like - "If Jesus and Afterlife isn't real what's stopping you from raping children and peeing on babies?" and I'm almost always like


That right there is the modern bible baby.

I reply "If an imaginary friend is the only thing stopping YOU from raping and killing I wholeheartedly support your delusion."

[Rhondazvous]

It depends on how you view God.

Christianity for example, shows God as a being that could do mistakes. He even has a "human version" called Jesus.
That's why forgiveness is thought of as being "easy".

Personally, I think that this is the point where Islam differs than all the other religions; In Islam : God is alive, intelligent and doesn't play games (like humans). He forgives, indeed, but who said that he'll forgive my sins ? or in other words : who said he will accept my apology ?
If I was to do tricks & try to get around a certain law, then God will bust me.  

It's all about taking God seriously & believing for real.

If you really took Allah seriously then you are sitting there planning a cyber jihad against all of us.

If you take Allah seriously then you will stone women who wear t-shirts

If you really took Allah seriously, you would be in jail right now because a lot of the things the Quran tells you to do are illegal.

[The Grand Nudger]

If he took god seriously, he wouldn't be babbling about some jinn named "allah" in the first place. The idea of an existent god, seriously considered, defies all human myths about gods. None of our stories speak to that possibility.

[WinterHold]

abaris

I'm not talking about the ME but the world. Apart from the big three there's no consent on morality or moral issues. Every society has their own rules and breaking them will get you sanctioned. So, there's no universal checklist. Not killing, robbing or raping a member of your society on the other hand, needs no superior authority to be considered taboo, since it will get you removed from your society.

You can substitute tribalism with nationalism.
In some societies though, it's totally acceptable to do the big three to other people ; that's the essence of nationalism anyhow and what is nationalism but an extended and more advanced form of tribalism ?

Islam though, prevents committing those three even against others.

It depends on how you view God.

Christianity for example, shows God as a being that could do mistakes. He even has a "human version" called Jesus.
That's why forgiveness is thought of as being "easy".

Personally, I think that this is the point where Islam differs than all the other religions; In Islam : God is alive, intelligent and doesn't play games (like humans). He forgives, indeed, but who said that he'll forgive my sins ? or in other words : who said he will accept my apology ?
If I was to do tricks & try to get around a certain law, then God will bust me.  

It's all about taking God seriously & believing for real.

If you really took Allah seriously then you are sitting there planning a cyber jihad against all of us.

If you take Allah seriously then you will stone women who wear t-shirts

If you really took Allah seriously, you would be in jail right now because a lot of the things the Quran tells you to do are illegal.

There are two types of Islam :

1)The fox news+ Sunni/Shia Islam : which you're talking about in your comment.
2)The real Islam : which doesn't even has "stoning" in it.

Stoning was never mentioned as a penalty in the Quran, neither was "Jihad" meant to be waged against people who didn't attack first with fatal methodologies.

Islam today is something like 10 or more different sects; believing in different things. It's more than what Fox news says. 
It's more correct to say : "taking the sunni/shia faiths (or fox news) too seriously, is what would lead to the things you said".

[Excited Penguin]

If you really took Allah seriously then you are sitting there planning a cyber jihad against all of us.

If you take Allah seriously then you will stone women who wear t-shirts

If you really took Allah seriously, you would be in jail right now because a lot of the things the Quran tells you to do are illegal.

There are two types of Islam :

1)The fox news+ Sunni/Shia Islam : which you're talking about in your comment.
2)The real Islam : which doesn't even has "stoning" in it.

Stoning was never mentioned as a penalty in the Quran, neither was "Jihad" meant to be waged against people who didn't attack first with fatal methodologies.

Islam today is something like 10 or more different sects; believing in different things. It's more than what Fox news says. 
It's more correct to say : "taking the sunni/shia faiths (or fox news) too seriously, is what would lead to the things you said".

You might very well be a secular muslim, if that's what you're claiming to be, but how do you propose we deal with the more problematic types of Islam being practiced? By pretending the problem isn't there?

[ApeNotKillApe]

Stoning was never mentioned as a penalty in the Quran, neither was "Jihad" meant to be waged against people who didn't attack first with fatal methodologies.

Stoning is prescribed in the Hadith, is it not?

[Excited Penguin]

Apparently, he only follows the Quran.

[WinterHold]

You might very well be a secular muslim, if that's what you're claiming to be, but how do you propose we deal with the more problematic types of Islam being practiced? By pretending the problem isn't there?

The first step is to stop feeding them the fuel they need for the propaganda; the second step would be to stop using them to achieve political victories, thirdly their sects' teachings must be exposed and referred to to the real authors. If criticism was sect-specific, it would result in even more good results .

Yes, I only follow the Quran.

ApeNotKillApe

Yep, stoning is only mentioned in the Hadith.

[Excited Penguin]

You might very well be a secular muslim, if that's what you're claiming to be, but how do you propose we deal with the more problematic types of Islam being practiced? By pretending the problem isn't there?

The first step is to stop feeding them the fuel they need for the propaganda; the second step would be to stop using them to achieve political victories, thirdly their sects' teachings must be exposed and referred to to the real authors.

Yes, I only follow the Quran.

ApeNotKillApe

Yep, stoning is only mentioned in the Hadith.

I appreciate where you're coming from, even if not your proposed way of dealing with the problem. Nevertheless, the world relies on muslims like you to reform the faith and bring it into the 21st century.