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Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral
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RE: Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral
(January 6, 2016 at 3:58 am)excitedpenguin Wrote: I appreciate where you're coming from, even if not your proposed way of dealing with the problem. Nevertheless, the world relies on muslims like you to reform the faith and bring it into the 21st century.


And their lies 1400 years of corruption ahead, that needs to be fixed.
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RE: Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral
Whats the problem with stoning?  Allahs gonna burn em.
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RE: Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral
In the earliest civilisations, before labelling Atheist and Theist, etc... humans had solidarity to survive as long as they did before they needed the stupidity of religion in their lives. When religion came after this success story, it took the morality of humans for its doctrine. We don't get our morality from religion, but it gets its morality from us. 

Humans got to morality first, not religion.
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RE: Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral
(January 4, 2016 at 9:34 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: While theists would have us believe they have a monopoly on morality and the only reason to behave morally, I find that in reality is the atheist who has the most logical reason to act morally.

The atheist who refrains from doing immoral acts in the world where he must live is informed by the same logic that tells him not to pee in the pool where he has to swim.
There's confusion over this argument.  An illustration.  Let's say that you know if you kill Frank, then Frank's brother is going to kill you.  Certainly an atheist has a great reason not to kill Frank.  In the same way you wouldn't pee in a pool where you have to swim, your not going to kill someone in the world that you live because then someone is going to kill you.  But that doesn't explain why the action is immoral to begin with, only why there are reasons you've chosen not to do it.  You've assigned a moral value to a pragmatic action.  Why?  The argument isn't that an atheist doesn't have a reason to be pragmatic (defined as moral), it's that an atheist doesn't have a reasonable ontology for morality.    
(January 4, 2016 at 9:34 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: As a Christian, I knew that my salvation was set in stone. God would forgive me and what other people thought didn’t matter. After all they were persecuting me because of my faith, not my behavior. I had absolutely no bases for moral behavior.
As a professing Christian weren't you being conformed to the image and likeness of Christ?

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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RE: Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral
I think most people have a moral compass to some degree. Its a combination of instincts derived from us evolving to be social creatures and social conditioning. It takes the average person a great deal of effort and mental gymnastics to go against it.
Of course theres psychopaths and sociopaths who are somewhat relieved of that burden but most of them come with their own set of psychological flaws that make up for that and then some. Unsurprisingly high functioning sociopaths make fantastic lawyers and business people.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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