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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:30 am
I got that information from wikipedia i am not saying that i know each name of by heart
but all of that can be summarised by four names
Jabbar ibn Hayyan
"Ibn al-Ḥaytham made significant contributions to the principles of optics, astronomy, mathematics, meteorology, visual perception and the scientific method.[12] He spent most of his life close to the court of the Fatimid Caliphate in Cairo and earned his living authoring various treatises and tutoring members of the nobilities.[13]
Ibn al-Ḥaytham widely considered the first theoretical physicist, and the earliest to discover that a hypothesis must be proved by experiments based on confirm able procedures or mathematical evidence—hence understanding the scientific method 200 years before Renaissance scientists."
Jaffar As Sadiq Many fields developed and pioneered , opened a huge university and was its head
Muhmmad Baqir Many fields developed and pioneered opened a huge university and was its head and teacher
Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi the father of Algebra and Algorithms
Jabir Ibn Hayyan - Father of chemistry amongst other things
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:31 am
(January 17, 2016 at 3:26 am)Beccs Wrote: So, quotes from a book of myths and a copy/paste list of names.
Wow that's some original thinking you have there.
I already stated that Islam has added to human knowledge. Some individual Muslims have alsi made major contributions.
Islam, as a whole, however, has yet to drag itself from its self imposed dark age.
Islam inspired the renaissance in Europe
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:32 am
(January 17, 2016 at 3:21 am)Kitan Wrote: Great wall of stupid text that means nothing. I do not thank you for your appearance.
its stupid to you because your an uneducated stupid person, and if you cant make sense of this then your extremely blind
your brain isnt functioning , so yeah to you it seems stupid
maybe i should use cave painting for you since your still living in a cave and communicate with pictures , words elude you
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:36 am
It had a hand but the burgeoning of science in Europe was greatly inspired but individuals across Europe.
Again, I do not deny Islam's influence on science. It's just a shame it sank into the darjness that Europe was just emerging from. And some if the blame for that rests squarely on the Church of Europe.
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:36 am
(January 17, 2016 at 3:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: Hide tags are your friend......where did you crib all of that from anyway? I'd love a link......
(the reference brackets are a dead giveaway for copy paste spam)
Do you think i am supposed to know all of that by heart? of course i copied and pasted it from wikipedia
that doesnt take anything away from its truth
the point wasnt that "look i know names" the point was that Islam INSPIRED science and took science to anew level which before Islam science was not formal and bit where here and there
Islam formalized science and created the scientific method, made it a subject created interest and most importantly was turned into practical tools that were used ot better life
for example Pythagoras used mathematics for a religion, it was a belief system, not a method to create and develop things
but the Muslim Arabs used science to better life, to create tools and understand the universe
seeking knowledge, Islam had a God and religion and that dealt with morals and the afterlife, but science was the living world and how to develop it and make life easier better etc
Islam formalized science into knowledge that was practical for making life easier
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:39 am
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2016 at 3:40 am by The Grand Nudger.)
It's true, islam did lift a ton of science from it's subjugate states and the works contained therein. Most notably in the quran, where the authors were so enamored with galen and hippocrates that they stole from them term-for-term and, subsequently, got it as wrong as the greeks.
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:41 am
(January 17, 2016 at 3:36 am)Beccs Wrote: It had a hand but the burgeoning of science in Europe was greatly inspired but individuals across Europe.
Again, I do not deny Islam's influence on science. It's just a shame it sank into the darjness that Europe was just emerging from. And some if the blame for that rests squarely on the Church of Europe.
In europe science was not used the way that science was used in Arabia
everyone knows about the religion of Pythagoras
the whole purpose for Pythagoras for his mathematical studies was a religion , he created a religion out of mathematics which gave meaning to life
but Arabs used knowledge to better life, used science to develop the practical life, to make life easier to grasp the knowledge of the world and manipulate it to make life easier
for example the Jabbin ibn Al Hayyan developed(amongst other things) soap using his first knowledge of chemistry , he developed glass for storing food and drink etc and he also developed other things
but the Pythagorean's used mathematics to come up with rules like "you cant eat beans on a certain day" and go to temples to worship their beliefs , which was a geometrical system of maths that they believed in i.e his maths was a religion
BIG difference
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:42 am
(January 17, 2016 at 3:32 am)yukapuka Wrote: (January 17, 2016 at 3:21 am)Kitan Wrote: Great wall of stupid text that means nothing. I do not thank you for your appearance.
its stupid to you because your an uneducated stupid person, and if you cant make sense of this then your extremely blind
your brain isnt functioning , so yeah to you it seems stupid
maybe i should use cave painting for you since your still living in a cave and communicate with pictures , words elude you
Heh, you can't call anyone stupid.
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:46 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism
as you can see Aristotle and Plato belonged to this belief system
so it wasnt science in the traditional sense it was metaphysical belief system
they didnt use it the way the Arabs used it , they probably could have but they were too busy still searching for meaning in life
the Arabs already HAD meaning in life they had Islam , so they were not searching for purpose and meaning any-more, they were looking at science for its practical benefits and purpose and uses and seeking in knowledge of the world around them in general
in arabia alegrba and math was used for the economy and markets and traders and knowledge in general hence why it was needed and pursued while again the Greeks where looking for metaphysical meaning and purpose and philosophy in their sciences , and not for practical uses BIG DIFFERENCE
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
January 17, 2016 at 3:49 am
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