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If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
Does the Koran say how large the moon is? Ancient people thought that the stars were tiny specks of light.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(February 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(February 4, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Here you can buy the series online here. Or at a Target or Walmart store or Best Buy, or E-Bay or Amazon.


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I'm guessing sheed comes from one of those countries where even thinking about possessing an item which disproves the quran gets one's head chopped off. It would explain why he is repeating the same old tired lies about quranic scientificity even after a good number of us have shown to him slowly, patiently and in simple language exaxtly why they are lies.

Well, if that is the case then, I certainly would not want my fellow human to get themselves murdered by right wing nutcases. But I don't think they are, those theocracies even the more moderate parts of the east frown upon pages and sites that "blaspheme" or "offend".

My guess is they are either in a more moderate part of Asia or have migrated to Europe or the UK. Shit, even China and North Korea would ban a site like this.

Yea Sheed, in all seriousness, don't take risks in viewing things from the west if it is going to risk your physical safety. Yes, I am giving you a hard time, not because I hate you, but because I think you can do far better with modern view of the world.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
Quote:http://www.yeatsvision.com/phases.html


What is this? I thought we were talking modern science here, not poetry or archaic knowledge ...


Quote:http://www.universetoday.com/65588/what-...-is-water/


And this? It says that "water makes up about 71% of the Earth’s surface, while the other 29% consists of continents and islands". The word "about" is not a synonym of "exactly". Plus, these are estimates, not 100% accurate measurements, so some sources say 71% for water, while other sources say 72%. Either way, you argued for exact values, and so you're wrong as a result.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(January 18, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: Allah already knows what will happen and it's all part of a grand scheme. So why make Dua (supplementary prayers)? 

Because Allah says so. Really, it's that simple. 

Allah tells us Muslims to pray five times a day, give Zakat, fast, etc. Dua is just one more item in this list, why should it be treated any differently?

As of why Dua sometimes seems as if it has no effect, there are many answers to that, two important points, though:

1. If I don't perceive any immediate or even long-term tangible effect of my supplementary prayer, it doesn't follow that my Dua doesn't have any effect. Any objection to supplementary prayer is prima facie arguing from ignorance.

2. Imagine two people praying for two logically contradictory things to happen, let's say A prays that his favorite player will succeed at a penalty shot, while B prays he misses the shot. It's clear that A and B can't both be happy once the outcome of the penalty kick is known. An omnipotent God can't instantiate what's logically impossible. This mundane example shows that many of our prayers may in fact be simple logical impossibilities, and we're not aware of it.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
John says you should send me fifty bucks. It's that simple.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
No answer to what's above!
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(February 26, 2022 at 9:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 7:47 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: Allah already knows what will happen and it's all part of a grand scheme. So why make Dua (supplementary prayers)? 

Because Allah says so. Really, it's that simple. 

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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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