pop morality

[Drich]

I do believe Dritch doesn't believe half the shit that he spews here, being the hateful little and rotting troll cunt that he is, but only his theism can feed his delusion that there is any good reason for him to go on breathing. This truly is a harmful delusion, as much for him as anyone else.

ah, but you make the mistake of assuming your standards and 'morals' are my guiding light. they are not. It's funny for me to see how indoctrinated people like you are to the things to take for granted as just always being right. You all are like the Christians you attack for being closed minded and 'dug in.'

Yet you do not see this very same behavior in your own value system.

After WWII many Germans killed themselves because they could not accept that their moral values were so far off base. They did not want to be told their world view was so wrong, they could not fathom living in a world where Jews, retards, and other mongrel races were allowed to continue on... With people like you If God or even some greater world power over took western society and legitimately showed you your own lies and made you stop your 'moral' way of life, I truly think many of you would also go the way of those Germans.

[The Grand Nudger]

A 42 page long appeal to hypocrisy, capped off with the laziest slippery slope I've ever seen, lol.  Pointless.

1/10 godwin. booooooo

[Drich]

Let's see here.

If society can't function without the use of slavery, as is the claim here, whose fault is that? Who made the rules?

Slavery boils down to not being paid $$$ in direct proportion to what you do.
So, Who made those rules? The people who introduced money as a means to promote and facilitate commerce.

Because if everyone got paid the same, money would not have value. money has value because everyone does not have it in quantity. If everyone had it in quantity it would become trash.
Example what is more valuable Gold or Aluminum? Why? Because Gold is material harder to obtain. Aluminum to most of us is trash, why? because everything is made from it and it is everywhere, even though it has some value. Now because Gold is more valuable means one need work harder to obtain it. Now who sets the required amount of work needed to obtain a measure of gold? In short the people who have most of it, not the people working.

Now lets say I have all the gold and you want/need some. I tell you it takes a week working in my fields to earn an ounce. you tell me over in Wyoming they are paying two ounces per week, so I point out we are not in Wyoming, but tell you I will give you room and board while you work, but I need you to agree on production levels and hours worked along with so many months worked, for all of this to make sense to me/to give you 1 oz per week of gold and provide meals/housing for you during that time..

That my friend falls with in the biblical account of slavery. That is how modern slavery works as well, but the terms (because they are unregulated are far worse for the workers.) I gave an example of Nike factory workers making a $1.30 a day 16 hours aday/or quota had to be filled. All because 'good' people want to pretend slavery does not exist. Once word got out, their salary was almost doubled, which with everything else provided made for a living wage/better life for those workers.

I'm pretty sure that if I made any sort of environment for beings to live in, given the power to literally decide what would and wouldn't be possible, I'd make it so slavery wasn't just unecessary but actually physically impossible.

why? If you did that they we could never come together as a society. that every family had to provide all of their own food, goods and services. Money allows people to specialize in certain tasks that otherwise could not be done, because we all would have to grow our own food or hunt/kill it.

You know who didn't have money? cave men, dogs, monkeys. that is what you are dooming your society to be.
a social group of animals.

Religion, far from being the source of morality, corrupts it. It stops it being able to evolve and improve towards the goal of human wellbeing by dogmatically sticking to outdated principles and beliefs.

Again you are using the term 'morality' as the gold standard of right and wrong. In this conversation you can not do that. Why? because I have shown you all dozens of examples where your 'morality' has adopted evil.

So for you to say "according to my morality God/religion is immoral" is like a member of ISIS calling you immoral... If Their standard of 'morality' is so low, how can they judge?

[Drich]

What makes you think I don't?

You have time to spout off on atheist forums, presumably on a computer you purchased with your own money.

What if this is apart of what I have been tasked to do?

Plus educate yourself fool, Slave can indeed be paid. Even chattle slaves of the 19th century were paid trivial amounts.

[The Grand Nudger]

For pages now you've been failing to convince -anyone- that they're just like yourself.  What's wrong with your position that you feel compelled to implicate -everyone- else in it?  Misery loves company?

If it was just you and god that felt the way you do about slavery or morality, what's the problem? -and if so, so what?

[Drich]

Then please cite an example of a society who's economy is not built and maintained on the backs of slaves.

Oh, that's right you have your own definitions to words and will not yield to the word's actual definitions.
So then a slave could mean only what you think it means and if your narrow definition is not met you can pretend not to be dependent on slaves.

Bitching about my refusal to take you seriously when you excuse god won't convince me of anything.  

Hey stupid, wake the F up! 2/3rds of the world lives and works this way right now!!!

Probably has something to do with people like yourself, who feel that slavery is acceptable and even necessary.

Not think sport but have given examples of slavery in every single man made produce, or food you put in your mouth that you yourself do not grow/create. all of which you want to dismiss because you are only willing to accept the meaning of Chattle slavery as being the only definition of slavery. Which again allows modern slave drivers the freedom to regulate themselves because douche bags like yourself will not admit to your own part in modern slavery.

My part in modern slavery would be to oppose it, as I've been doing, wherever I see it.  I also oppose substandard wages and working conditions, but have enough sense in my head to recognize that this is not slavery regardless.  That you can manufacture a sense of smug superiority in the face of my repeated criticisms of -every- practice you idiotically deem "slavery" while, yourself...extolling their virtue and necessity......is yet another example of the failure of your beliefs and your ability.

But, sub standard to whom? you? Would Donald trump have the right to rate the living standard for the rest of the world? In other words if he were to walk into your house right now, would he accept the standard of living you are currently living as acceptable/would he live in your house? (Hint: when asked about living in the white house if he were elected, he said he would spend his own money to make it an acceptable place to live, that at current it would be a giant step down for him.)

You represent the top 5% of wealth on this planet. You are the Donald trump of the slums and plantations of south America. Is it realistic to raise the pay rate of a field hand to what you make now? Do you think it would help them? Do you think their products would remain affordable to the rest of the world? if not then what does the rest of the world eat when their products can no longer be purchased? do you even think with all their new money they would be able to afford the very food they produced?

Again the value here with plantation workers is not expressed in just money, but in the plantation owners providing a life/housing, food, medical/All their needs to their workers augmenting their provided needs with small token amounts of cash. Again this is the ideal situation of slavery, (The biblical picture of it) but the reality is this is a rarity because of your (And idiots like you) very specific definition of slavery, yet your continued support by purchasing food and products slaves bring to market. Allows owners to act with impunity, and according to their greed rather than being held accountable to their responsibilities.

[Drich]

Not my numbers were they? I provided source material for everything I mentioned, except what I freely admitted was speculation.


As far as what do Christians base their anti abortion stance on... IDK may you shall not murder.. Maybe you can start their. Oh, but that's right it's not murder because like I pointed out with the Nazis, and Indians at the time, the humanity required for 'murder' has been taken from these babies and it does not count... Oh, but wait doesn't that go back to what I said already about pop morality? In that a 'moral consensus' can justify any act, even one that has consumed over a billion babies, and no one will give it a second thought. So then my question "how would 'we' know that we ourselves have already taken an evil turn like the Nazis did, yet still consider ourselves 'good people'? (just like they did)" Was really retorchical because Abortion is indeed an example of a stomach turning evil that has killed far more BABIES than everyone killed in WWII.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/

So really the Nazi's have nothing on us.

Legal abortions prevent the deaths of grown women, fully formed people are saved by this law, but being a Christian Drich only cares about people in the wrapper for some reason.

Unsafe abortion is a major cause of injury and death among women worldwide. Although data are imprecise, it is estimated that approximately 20 million unsafe abortions are performed annually, with 97% taking place in developing countries.[36] Unsafe abortion is believed to result in approximately 69,000 deaths and millions of injuries annually.[36] The legal status of abortion is believed to play a major role in the frequency of unsafe abortion.[37][38] For example, the 1996 legalization of abortion in South Africa had an immediate positive impact on the frequency of abortion-related complications,[39] with abortion-related deaths dropping by more than 90%.[40] Groups such as the World Health Organization have advocated a public-health approach to addressing unsafe abortion, emphasizing the legalization of abortion, the training of medical personnel, and ensuring access to reproductive-health services.[38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion

US Abortion Clock.org

As of 2:09PM EST 2-12-16
 
In United States today
1,762.3

US since 1973: Roe vs Wade
58,711,737.6

By Planned Parenthood since 1970
6,998,643.9

By Planned Parenthood this year
37,290.9

United States this Year
125,482.6

US this Year after
16 weeks gestation
6,023.2

US this Year due to rape
or incest
1,217.2

Black babies since '73 in US
17,613,521.3

Worldwide since 1980
1,404,603,823

Worldwide this Year
4,658,300

WW since you loaded this page
5,073

Worldwide Today

So out of that 1.4 billion what are you saying 80 to 99% are for health reasons?

[The Grand Nudger]

Substandard to me, which is the only metric that matters in a discussion -with me-.  You have trouble accepting other peoples positions and statements for what they are, though...so I don't expect to see any progress here.  

The last time you asked me ag related questions you didn't like the answers..and retreated into fantasy.  You're still trying to appeal to hypocrisy and I've already told you that I won't take you seriously.

[Drich]

A 42 page long appeal to hypocrisy, capped off with the laziest slippery slope I've ever seen, lol.  Pointless.

1/10 godwin. booooooo

Fact, reason, logic... All go out the window when they work against you, and now you hold on to what you believe out of what... Faith???

If you took 1/2 your faith or just a 1/3 of what you have exhibited here, and gave it to God. He would would not leave a doubt in your mind about who and what He is.

[The Grand Nudger]

Fact, reason, and logic clearly don't mean what you think they do. Why would I give god anything...and if i was going to..do you imagine that it would be your god? Hardly, you've seen to that yourself. Congratulations on losing people for christ.