pop morality

[robvalue]

Yeah, I suspect he's an undercover atheist. Him and several others here.

I find it easier to cope that way, anyway.

[FebruaryOfReason]

and if you do not have this absolute morality, then how are you in a position to judge ANYONE Else's system of right and wrong?

This would be the absolute morality of a God that allowed the murder of millions of Jews, Kulaks, and Chinese peasants? The absolute morality of a God who swept away the faithful along with the unfaithful on Boxing Day 2004?

How the hell do you have the right to say that all those people deserved it?

You sicken me. Wake up to the absolute obscenity of what you are saying.

We are in a position to judge your "absolute" morality. We can and will continue to do so. You cannot stop us questioning you.

Your philosophy and your argument are both full of holes and you know it. It is only your pusillanimous intellectual dishonesty that stops you recognising it.

[dyresand]

Yeah, I suspect he's an undercover atheist. Him and several others here.

I find it easier to cope that way, anyway.

Wait.. a moment that would be actually very smart i mean a Atheists putting  on a persona of a 
Theist making threads about how x y and z is good, such as rape slavery etc. Then also have his false 
arguments being criticized as immoral and bad, then christians come along to read it and think.

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I seriously doubt dirch is a christian now that i think about it.

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[Nihilist Virus]

Yeah, I suspect he's an undercover atheist. Him and several others here.

I find it easier to cope that way, anyway.

Wait.. a moment that would be actually very smart i mean a Atheists putting  on a persona of a 
Theist making threads about how x y and z is good, such as rape slavery etc. Then also have his false 
arguments being criticized as immoral and bad, then christians come along to read it and think.

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I seriously doubt dirch is a christian now that i think about it.

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Some men wear lipstick and g-strings and twist their nipples like radio dials when they post on the internet. Drich's alternate persona is far more disturbing.

[Drich]

This would be the absolute morality of a God that allowed the murder of millions of Jews, Kulaks, and Chinese peasants? The absolute morality of a God who swept away the faithful along with the unfaithful on Boxing Day 2004?

yes.

How the hell do you have the right to say that all those people deserved it?

lol.. How can you say they didn't 'deserve it?'
Is it your belief that we are all immortal beings, and God is the only one able to strike us down? Because if you thought pattern resided anywhere close to the levels of common sense you would indeed understand that Death is the only one constant we all share. Further more Death is not a 'bad' thing. Death is our birth into eternity. Are you so foolish as to morn the pregnancy (the state of being pregnant) when a healthy baby is born? would you cast a baby aside just to remain pregnant forever?

You sicken me. Wake up to the absolute obscenity of what you are saying.

That people die.. yeah, that's an obscene thought for sure.

We are in a position to judge your "absolute" morality. We can and will continue to do so. You cannot stop us questioning you.

You are indeed, and I am not trying to stop anyone. I am just pointing out the measure in which you judge God. You use your own personal righteousness. Jesus called this own personal righteousness, self righteousness. He was not a big fan of the self righteous. He point out they were often hypocrites. And although you seem to have just found the courage to post your self righteousness, what I have been doing for the past 50+ pages is showing you 'good people' your own hypocrisy, by measure of your own self righteous standard.
For instance you mentioned several people you said God killed. (details of which I am at a loss with but whatever.) how many people would you estimate God killed? a million, 10 million?? 100 million? is what amount of time over 100 years? 1000? 6000??? All souls he took from this life to his side of eternity Judging the righteous and wicked accordingly.

This is what you have judged wrong and wicked/evil. the taking of human life.. Men women and CHILDREN correct?

Yet you support infanticide. I'm sorry what's the P/C term again? oh, yeah Abortion. and all you had to do is take the humanity of the unborn away, and you could kill babies in the worst way possible. Harvest them for their various parts. And you do so in numbers that would put "God's effort" to shame. how about 1.4 BILLION since 1980? that is 130 times more (Babies alone) in just 36 years.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
That is what i mean 'you can't judge God.' for every spot of blood you point out on God's hands you have oceans of blood on your own.

Your philosophy and your argument are both full of holes and you know it. It is only your pusillanimous intellectual dishonesty that stops you recognizing it.

Ah.. no. Maybe just maybe I am able to think and work beyond the boarders of the box of self righteousness that has contained you. Maybe I do not share the founding principles of 'morality' that shows you 'holes.' Maybe just maybe I can see and fully understand your 'morality' but the self righteousness it demands I have to follow it, and the hyprocrisy I need to claim it, are simply too much for me.

[The Grand Nudger]

Has it ever occurred to you that you self righteously call anything you don't agree with self righteousness, as though it were an insult or problem in the case of others but not in your own?  Has it ever occurred to you that calling those things "self righteous" in the retarded way that you do won't really bother anyone, change their minds, bring them to god...or your god? Has it ever occurred to you that you're your own worst enemy, as a liar for christ, and that the cause of christ would be better served by you simply choosing to keep your trap shut about him? Has it ever occurred to you, that you might be the reason that the catholic church didn't want dipshits reading the bible?

Is your purpose here to absolutely -ensure- that the people you talk to never come to christ..for no reason other than your own statements regarding god? That's the feedback you're getting from -every- corner. A smart man, a man looking to advocate for salvation in christ over his own ego, would take a better course or leave the work to a more competent and persuasive individual. Are you either kind of man...or are you something else?

[Angrboda]

That is what i mean 'you can't judge God.' for every spot of blood you point out on God's hands you have oceans of blood on your own.

This is nothing more than a fallacious tu quoque argument. Whether or not we are also guilty of immorality does not prevent us from being capable of judging immorality in another. That simply doesn't follow logically. Moreover, condoning something as a finite, limited individual does not compare to the deliberate acts of an omnipotent god. They are dissimilar standards.

[Drich]

Has it ever occurred to you that you self righteously call anything you don't agree with self righteousness, as though it were an insult or problem in the case of others but not in your own?  

It's a real simple formula sport one I have mentioned several times.
Righteousness as defined by God is God's righteousness. Anything else is a personal form of righteousness. a standard that one develops adopts for one's self. (meaning apart from God's standard.) Christ in dealing with the pharisees Made this distinction, in that it is a 'self righteousness' that they used to live by, and not the righteousness of God.

Again, that is why I said you all are not in a position to judge God. In that all forms of judgement come from a personal sense of right and wrong and not any type of absolute or real standard. Just a sense of righteousness. Again as Jesus defines it a "Self Righteousness." That means ALL "Morality" is a form of self righteousness, because All Morality adopts certain sin and judges them acceptable.

Has it ever occurred to you that calling those things "self righteous" in the retarded way that you do won't really bother anyone, change their minds, bring them to god...or your god?

as witnessed by your own post's "my calling people's righteousness 'self righteousness' does indeed do what it is supposed to do. To undermine your system of value, and has you question (to defend) your system of righteousness/morality. In otherwords even if just for a moment, what I am doing is making you question or at least look at a foundation you would otherwise never question. For those who think a little deeper what i am doing will allow you to see how my sense of right and wrong can indeed differ from your own.

 Has it ever occurred to you that you're your own worst enemy, as a liar for christ, and that the cause of christ would be better served by you simply choosing to keep your trap shut about him?

A liar really? what have I lied about? Or are you saying because what I am saying about Biblical Christianity is so vastly different than anything you have ever heard of it must be a lie?

What if... All that I am saying is 1000% true? Could you possibly see why then if you sought God with all your current understanding why he could not support you? Why your "house" fell when tested by the winds and rain?

 Has it ever occurred to you, that you might be the reason that the catholic church didn't want dipshits reading the bible?  

You are 100% correct. I am the very embodiment of the reason why the RCC burned people at the stake (and their whole families) who attempted to read or translate the bible into anything other than Latin, that first had not fully accepted the church's indoctrination.

Because what I have done is shown you all a God completely accessible, and one who wants to be an active part of your life if and only if you meet Him on His terms.

Is your purpose here to absolutely -ensure- that the people you talk to never come to christ..

My purpose is to portray a bionically accurate view of God with out apology or compromise no matter what. To answer all questions and challenges, first and foremost truthfully, and accurately as presented by scripture, and to the best of my ability, so help me God. I leave nothing to chance or speculation unless otherwise noted. I speak with sure footed authority because of what God has re-enforced and shown me throughout my life. I know what I bring you guys is accurate enough to receive the grace and support of God because I myself directly receive this grace and support. I simply want to share it if any of you truly want all the 'proof' you claim you want.

for no reason other than your own statements regarding god?  That's the feedback you're getting from -every- corner.  

From your POV I sure that is an accurate statement.
However my POV via the emails, and PM's I have received along with the ever changing dialog and questions shows that attitudes have indeed changed. While no one is going to change over night I have planeted a few seeds and they are indeed taking root.

A smart man, a man looking to advocate for salvation in christ over his own ego, would take a better course or leave the work to a more competent and persuasive individual.  Are you either kind of man...or are you something else?

Here's the thing sport. I'm not trying to sell you all anything. All I offer is the truth. This truth requires a huge amount of humility to swallow, so much so that it demands that you treat me with the same respect that you would like me to inturn treat you with. I know this because I make a tremendous effort to mirror the tone and timber of each conversation to the individual I am speaking from post to post.

If you read other posts you can see a wide margin in how I may respond to the one asking questions. This is because again 1 I am not trying to sell Christianity. I am simply offering truth. The first truth being one has to show a measure of humility. Once we can establish humility we then turn to your failed attempt at connecting with God/Why most of you are an atheists, and if your humility holds out I will try and show you what the bible says Christianity is sup[posed to be verse what you think it should be.

For instance you think I should have a meek even Jehovah's witness' approach and I should present my arguments in neat easily dismissable little statements. You want and need me to be a salesman because you know how to deal with sales men. You know the lines they won't cross and you know the limits of the ammo they bring. Fortunately for me, Jesus did not teach or try and sell 'Christianity.' He directly confronted and publicly shamed those who opposed Him and His message. That is what got Him killed. He clowned people like you (but in authority) So badly and threatened their hold on the people so much they authority of that day had to silence Him.

He showed the people that the 'poo pooers' of his day were so out of touch and 'self righteous/moral' that they no longer could even recognize the authority of God any more.

So bottom line. Because I am not selling Biblical Christianity to anyone I do not have to play by your rules, or the rules of any church. the bible here is my guide Christ's own teaching style is my outline. I have the freedom given to me by Biblical Christianity to meet you all on your terms (so to speak/I can play rough and break what you hold sacred, if that is all you understand) However I do so mindfully and I seek to do so constructively. I look to demolish inorder to rebuild, not to destroy for the sake of rageful destruction.

If you want me to approach you differently, then simply approach me differently.

[Drich]

That is what i mean 'you can't judge God.' for every spot of blood you point out on God's hands you have oceans of blood on your own.

This is nothing more than a fallacious tu quoque argument.  Whether or not we are also guilty of immorality does not prevent us from being capable of judging immorality in another.  That simply doesn't follow logically.   Moreover, condoning something as a finite, limited individual does not compare to the deliberate acts of an omnipotent god.  They are dissimilar standards.

Indeed they are completely different standards. An omnipotent being would understand the butterfly effect in wiping out a whole community of people. whether that had a positive or negative impact on Humanity at large, while a selfish self righteous people who practice infanticide as a form of post coital birth control has absolutely no idea who it is they are killing.

Is it so far fetched that an all knowing God could wipe out the father of a movement that would have seen all of humanity obliterated from the earth? Really?? that while He is calling the deaths of hundreds if not thousands, He in turn is not protecting the Race itself from extinction? If God wanted Humanity to last longer than what this self destructive people wanted, then wouldn't He then obligate Himself to destroy these 'bad seeds?"

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"Moral" people killing billions of unborn babies because the parent(s) don't want that child. Who these children would grow up to be is not apart of the equation. The only question being is the baby wanted?

So, yes you can judge... I have already conceded you can judge, however you do so from a position of hypocrisy. If you want to judge God evil for killing thousands, He will inturn use your own 'standard' (As Christ did with the pharisees) and hold the world accountable by their own standard. May their be mercy if you are a hypocrite.

Again this is a "take the plank out of your eye, before you concern yourself with the speck in the eye of God."

[The Grand Nudger]

So, the answer to my every question would be no, then...you haven't considered any of those things before, and won't be considering them now. You'll continue to stroke your peen at the expense of christ.  

As always, your efforts are appreciated.