pop morality

[TheRocketSurgeon]

[robvalue]

Thou shalt not kill*.

(*Unless there's a voice in your head telling you to do it. Then it's totez cool. But it has to be the right voice. Not just being crazy, or another god's voice. Not that there are any other gods of course. I know I said all that stuff about not worshipping other gods, but...)

[Brakeman]

...On the other hand, Hebephilia, which is adult sexual attraction to teenagers, is a slightly different proposition. If science discovers that we are wrong about this factor, then I can see the laws changing to suit a different figure than the ones we have artificially drawn (somewhere between 14 and 18, depending on the nation and/or the state in question)...

And so it begins. What was formerly unthinkable finds its way back into consideration.

Mohammad the prophet, piss be upon him, thought marrying girls even as infants was A-OK. It has been religion that has sanctified marriages of older men and child brides for centuries. It has been religion that has put a woman's sole value upon the fact that the woman cannot compare a man sexually, that she be a virgin.

It is today's humanistic reflection of empathy that we consider the real life implications of marrying an immature girl to a older man.

[Brakeman]

I don't think Drich really understands what Empathy is..  or has a clue..

Maybe the better question is "does Drich care what brakeman and his followers thinks about his lack of empathy?" Does drich care if he is labeled a sociopath because he can truly look at himself and the society he lives in objectively in such a real way his empathy is questioned?

If you answered yes to either of these questions then know you will have to try and find another way to manipulate me. I'd much rather be labeled a sociopath than be control by what douche bags think of me.

No, I don't expect you to be concerned with your seemingly socio-pathic lack of empathy. I further don't think you will consider the irony of it's hypocrisy with your stated claim of having jesus inside you.

That's ok though.
Just remember, we're laughing at you, not with you.

[Brakeman]

Except when it applies to your god's directed rape of captured virgin girls of other tribes, right?

As a posed to what the philosopher's/thinking mans reason for have sex/talking a child into sex?

Do you seriously want to pretend one is better than the other based on 'your moral values?'

Religious men such as lot, noah, moses, and mohammed, did not consider the feelings of the girls when commanding females into marriage.

Only today's thinking empathetic men do. And that is much better!

[Drich]

[Drich]

Actually alpo I did answer what you wrote. I just did not yield to your terminology. I am trying to drag you from a morality "A" or Morality "B" POV to seeing a third option. The reason it doesn't seem like I havn't answered your question is because you think the world is only chocolate or vanilla. I answered your question with strawberry

No, I showed how your world view fits into my terminology.  You didn't answer a third option, you just ignored the points I made and returned to your semantic argument.  Settling moral debts through atonement is every bit as much a system of arbitrary morals as settling moral debts through payback.  Just as arbitrary and just as relative.  You haven't escaped pop morality, you've just adopted a specific one, one based on atonement.

Again no. Morality at its core a set of rules defining good/bad behavior. Pop morality describes the origins of said rules.

Absolutes/Atonement is freedom from 'moral behavior' and a way to be found righteous despite our failures in morality.

Therefore the model that uses atonement can not be morality because behavior is not what is being judged.

[The Grand Nudger]

All I have to do to be righteous is get washed in the blood of the better man strung up for my sins and sing hosannah for the rest of my days?  Gee....I just -have- to get me some of that sort of righteousness, it sounds swell.



No, no..wait...I think I'm just gonna go ahead and continue to be a decent human being instead Drich. Uninterested.

[Drich]

under cognitive control. (most of the time.)

That doesn't sound right.

It describes limited use rather personal control of my empathy. Rather than what i am suggesting the rest of you are experiencing. (limitations set by soceity, but other wise being a slave to unchecked empathy)

The "sometimes" refers to sometimes it gets the better of me and forces action that I would not normally take.

[The Grand Nudger]

That your empathy is different from mine has never been something I wondered about.  It's been a fact in evidence from day one of our relationship.  

I'm happy to hear that your better half -sometimes- takes control away from your christard half..though.  You should try letting your empathy dicate your actions and positions more often, imo.