How did Islam destroy the classical world?

[abaris]

Yeah the Crusaders were a mess. That is a part of history I am very sad about. And all because Yaweh told them to (supposedly).

That's one view I'm actually fighting against on both sides of the trenches. The grunts were motivated by religion, although even that is up for debate, since everyone dreamed about looting the Orient. But down from Urban it was actually much more political powerplay than religious endeavour.

If it wasn't that bloody, it would actually be funny. Urban, on his voyage to Clermont, heard about several bishops being captured for ransom by marauding knights. Also, the Byzantine emperor had called for military aid. With his call for a crusade, he wanted to give European knights a common cause as well as bringing the Greek Orthodox church to heel. That's the political background of the first crusade in a nutshell.

[WinterHold]

Don't try to change the subject, by making an ignorant act of generalization that is worthy of savage, uncivilized mobs.

Such as the savage, uncivilized mobs who brutally stone teenaged girls? That's in your holey book too.

You know, you actually lost this mini debate because of the big fat lie that you just made, since stoning "literally" doesn't exist in the Quran; which is "Our holy book". So, thanks again for proving to me, and to the reader, that you're an angry keyboard Jihadist.

You are posting on an atheist forum, where most of us happen to be atheists. Why in fuck then do you think your utterly stupid and violent holy book should mean anything whatsoever to us?

The rules of the forum don't prohibit me from joining and sharing my opinions, so here I am.

Don't bother answering, all you can do is waste server space - we're done here!

One thing that wastes server space, is lying about the existence of stoning in the Quran. 
Since you care that much about cyber space, you should choose your words wisely, and revise them once, twice and thrice.

And hey..be honest about your atheism, and just admit that stoning women is a biblical sentence that exists literally in the Torah and the OT.

Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Torah

[WinterHold]

Mishna[edit]
The Talmud describes four methods of execution: stoning, pouring molten lead down the throat of the condemned person, beheading, and strangulation (see Capital and corporal punishment in Judaism). The Mishna gives the following list of persons who should be stoned.[12][13]
"To the following sinners stoning applies – אלו הן הנסקלין

• one who has had relations with his mother – הבא על האם
  
  
• with his father's wife – ועל אשת האב
  
  
• with his daughter-in-law – ועל הכלה
  
  
• a human male with a human male – ועל הזכור
  
  
• or with cattle – ועל הבהמה
  
  
• and the same is the case with a woman who uncovers herself before cattle – והאשה המביאה את הבהמה
  
  
• with a blasphemer – והמגדף
  
  
• an idolater – והעובד עבודת כוכבים
  
  
• he who sacrifices one of his children to Molech – והנותן מזרעו למולך
  
  
• one that occupies himself with familiar spirits – ובעל אוב
  
  
• a wizard – וידעוני
  
  
• one who violates Sabbath – והמחלל את השבת
  
  
• one who curses his father or mother – והמקלל אביו ואמו
  
  
• one who has assaulted a betrothed damsel – והבא על נערה המאורסה
  
  
• a seducer who has seduced men to worship idols – והמסית
  
  
• and the one who misleads a whole town – והמדיח
  
  
• a witch (male or female) – והמכשף
  
  
• a stubborn and rebellious son – ובן סורר ומורה"
  

I mean, speak about that ??

[abaris]

I mean, speak about that ??

Same roots, same barbarism.

Can't argue with that.

Oh, and same ambiguous holy books, and same people cherry picking to make them more appealing.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

You know, you actually lost this mini debate because of the big fat lie that you just made, since stoning "literally" doesn't exist in the Quran; which is "Our holy book". So, thanks again for proving to me, and to the reader, that you're an angry keyboard Jihadist.

At least I'm not angry for religious reasons. You wouldn't be here right now if you weren't violently raging.

True or not of anything being in your stupid, idiotic, and ultra-violent asswipe of a book written by camel-cowboy, child-molesting asshole Mad-Ham-Rot,

NOBODY FUCKING CARES, ASSHOLE! Nobody wants to see your shithead quotes, so take them and go fuck yourself with them!

[WinterHold]

You know, you actually lost this mini debate because of the big fat lie that you just made, since stoning "literally" doesn't exist in the Quran; which is "Our holy book". So, thanks again for proving to me, and to the reader, that you're an angry keyboard Jihadist.

At least I'm not angry for religious reasons. You wouldn't be here right now if you weren't violently raging.

Sure you're not taking to yourself?
Hmmm..let's see:

True or not of anything being in your stupid, idiotic, and ultra-violent asswipe of a book written by camel-cowboy, child-molesting asshole Mad-Ham-Rot, 

wow wow, cool down, it's not good for your health to curse like that; Mohammed peace be upon him is dead, I mean he can't hear you, you know?

NOBODY FUCKING CARES, ASSHOLE! Nobody wants to see your shithead quotes, so take them and go fuck yourself with them!

Ummm, okay ?..
I don't think it's me in the picture you posted; have you looked in the mirror?

Chill..if you're in Holland, I advice you to smoke some weed.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Chill..if you're in Holland, I advice you to smoke some weed.

Because if I were there, where there's so many more stupid jihadists who would kill over a fucking cartoon, then maybe I'd better calm down? Cool, now the threats begin!

[ReptilianPeon]

Muhammad looks like an Arab version of Wolverine from the X-Men. I think it's the beard that does it. Anyhow, no human is perfect, not even Muhammad. He was clearly influenced by moral relativism, which is why people can have a hard time defending him if someone is particularly knowledgeable with Hadith. Hadith make the Quran look tame.

[WinterHold]

Chill..if you're in Holland, I advice you to smoke some weed.

Because if I were there, where there's so many more stupid jihadists who would kill over a fucking cartoon, then maybe I'd better calm down? Cool, now the threats begin!

No, that was in France!
And honestly, I think it was a False Flag, since the agents left their IDs in the car seats (the driver & his companion), in an act worthy of a mister Bean episode..
Weed is illegal in France, so..

Smoked marijuana won't do for you, hash brownies will do, maybe ?