The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, I doubt it would work against god magic. I'd be awfully disappointed if it did.

[Drich]

When did you stop beating your wife, again?  Stop staring at my fruits.  Look, Drich, you're stomping your feet because you were unable to make me choose to serve either...but did you really expect that you would be able to?  Are you that fucking dense?  I doubt it.  

I know what you are trying to do, and again I think it is cute... but beating your wife like sin is a well defined act. While i can show you are in sin (You follow the definition even if you will not admit it.) you can not show that I have ever beaten my wife. why? because again Sin has prarmeters that I and show you are in violation of even if you will not recognize the word, why you will never be able to produce evidence that i complied with the parameters of beating my wife in any way shape or form.

So again... Nice try, your cute for trying but you failed with this attempt, try try again.

[The Grand Nudger]

You'd have to show that sin existed, first.......and if you could do that you'd have done it long ago.... and if you could, you'd still have all your work ahead of you to demonstrate that I choose to serve it.  

This ability to confine my choices is never going to materialize, is it..it's just going to be you popping off at the mouth until I get bored.

[Drich]

You'd have to show that sin existed, first.......

Sin is nothing more than a standard. a list of prohibited actions. to 'prove sin exists' is to compile a list.

What you don't seem to be aware of what your asking is for the authority to impliment said list to validate it in your mind.. To which I have already pointed out your validation is not needed for this list to exist, nor is it needed for anyone to identify items on that list in your life.

So again, your objections have been noted, but rendered moot.

(somehow I think your about to 'get bored.')

[The Grand Nudger]

Sin is nothing more than a word you like the sound of, more accurately. Here I am, still not serving it, still not serving you...oh, excuse me, your "god". My validation is the -only- means by which you can claim that I serve something. You don't have it, you never will, and despite your grandiose claims..you're clearly incapable of securing it.

[Old Baby]

What I don't get is why people like Drich are here. They don't bring any new arguments or new evidence to the table. It might be different if they were defending their own turf from the challenge of atheists in an environment where empty faith claims and pseudo science actually has a pacifying effect on the audience. At this point Drich is like the guy who registers with the forum just to say "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

[Drich]

Sin is nothing more than a word you like the sound of, more accurately.  

Again, you are looking for authority that forces you to acknowledge sin. and Again you do not need to acknowledge sin for it to be identified. (it does seem like you have the capacity to have this conversation, but let's see if I can't drag you across the finish line anyway..) Sin is like Bi polar disorder. At it's core It is a behavioral actions set outside of conditions defined by comparison to a set standard. Now much like bi polar disorder diagnosis of said disorder or sin, does not require the subject's consent nor acknowledgement. You do not have to recognize the authority of the people making the diagnosis, nor accept or even want to follow the standards in which you are judged by. Even so, the one who does acknowledge this standard can look at your 'fruit' and make that determination on your behalf.

So like it or not I can identify sin in your life. I then can say you are a slave to sin because you will not be able to stop behaving sinfully. Just like if you were bi polar and were diagnosed as such, despite whether or not you acknowledge the diagnosis you would not be able to operate outside the parameters defined by the proper diagnosis of your disorder.

Here I am, still not serving it, still not serving you...oh, excuse me, your "god".  My validation is the -only- means by which you can claim that I serve something.  You don't have it, you never will, and despite your grandiose claims..you're clearly incapable of securing it.

what's a fancy word for lying to one's self???

[The Grand Nudger]

No, Drich, I'm looking for something which demonstrate the truth of your claim, that I choose to serve sin or your god, or that I'm a slave to either.  How many times will you respond -without- such a demonstration, frothing over some other batshit claim?

[Drich]

What I don't get is why people like Drich are here.  They don't bring any new arguments or new evidence to the table.  It might be different if they were defending their own turf from the challenge of atheists in an environment where empty faith claims and pseudo science actually has a pacifying effect on the audience.  At this point Drich is like the guy who registers with the forum just to say "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

at the moment you are 132 posts into this forum...

Aside from a closed mind, and speaking from stereotypes how in all honestly are you able to make that assertion?

I don't teach faith.

I literally employ far more real science than most of you do (I literally used science to dispell every counter claim made about the 'flood' in the last Ark thread we just had, which literally left you guys with nothing more than ad hom attacks) I've quoted works from major universities, NASA, Various experts in given fields, and their books ect..

And i have successfully integrated all of evolution into the creation account, to the point that neither the church or all of 'science' can legitimately argue that the theory I provide is completely dismissable outside of just wishing this were the case.

What you're guilty of BCB (Big Cry Baby just incase you forgot) is a sweeping dismissal. You want your peers to support a dismissal without addressing the talking point you find yourself out of your depth to answer. So you make an appeal against me that actually does not even come close to what I have consistently brought here in the way of discussion for the last several years... This kind of high school crap may work in the other forums you are use to, but does not work here. the established members here (on both sides of the discussion) hold themselves to a high standard, so if you want to stay and not feel like a 'Dry sand' then you are going to have to start speaking topically.

[Drich]

No, Drich, I'm looking for something which demonstrate the truth of your claim, that I choose to serve sin or your god, or that I'm a slave to either.  How many times will you respond -without- such a demonstration, frothing over some other batshit claim?

Again, If you do not serve sin, then stop sinning. I've already outlined this how did you miss it?