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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 12:39 am
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 6:13 am
(March 9, 2016 at 9:31 pm)AJW333 Wrote: I'm not one of those who insists on a literal 6 day creation.
Of course not. That would be silly, wouldn't it?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 6:54 am
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:12 am
(March 9, 2016 at 7:46 pm)AJW333 Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 8:25 am)abaris Wrote: And so does Nostradamus if you bend and shape the letters sufficiently. I've yet to see any supposed prophecy not being open to at least a dozen interpretations. How about this prophecy, it seems fairly straight forward,
"Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands." Revelation 20:4
To the casual (and dare I say the cynical) observer, this doesn't say much. However let's unpack it a bit. You have an obscure Jewish fisherman 2000 years ago make a prediction that in the last days, just prior to the return of Christ, (modern era) you will have Christians being beheaded for no other reason than being Christian. Until very recently, this wasn't happening, now it is. ISIS is beheading hundreds, if not thousands of Christians as we speak. Was John correct with his prophecy? Absolutely.
(March 9, 2016 at 8:25 am)abaris Wrote: We've had an esteemed member calling himself the professor, who wasted his life away by interpreting the end of days coming last september. Going by bible verses, he bent to suit his particular brand of makebelief. He should have paid more attention to the verse that says "no one knows the hour nor the day...."
(March 9, 2016 at 9:50 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Says the idiot who thinks a passage in the bible about the c 500 bce formation of the kingdom of Judah actually refers to the 1948 creation of the Racist Theocracy of Israel. I think you missed something here. The prophecy states that Israel will be regathered a second time. At the time of Isaiah around 700BC, when the prophecy was made, there had not yet been a dispersion of Israel and therefore no regathering. Isaiah was predicting the dispersion in 586 BC. This was followed by the first regathering 70 years later. So when was the second dispersion? That was under the Roman Empire in Jesus' day and the second regathering was 1948.
(March 9, 2016 at 9:50 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Oh and on your "degree" post the certificate or it doesn't exist, because you don't understand scientific concepts you could teach to a toddler. Put up $10k and I'll be glad to take your money.
(March 9, 2016 at 10:12 am)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: You still haven't specified your "science degree", you lying fuctard asshole!
Administrator NoticeFixed quote formatting. You're welcome  -- Stimbo If you call me a liar then I will call you on it. That's why there is a wager of $10k on it. Put your money on the table and I'll be more than happy to comply. Till then, enough of the false accusations.
Why should I pay you about 40% of my annual income to do something that'll cost you, roughly, a dollar?
Your answer to my challenge though is interesting enough. From it I can reasonably conclude that you've no degree in any field and are simply bullshitting us with lying credentialism. Nice to have proof that you're just another lying sack of shit whose only "learning" came from the bananaman himself, Ray Comfort.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:12 am
(March 9, 2016 at 7:41 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 7:03 pm)AJW333 Wrote: This is where I don't agree because to get DNA from a very haphazard, disordered environment, you have to reverse entropy. There is no such thing as a random code, so how are a bunch of random chemicals going to write one?
hahahaha reverse entropy!! GHAHAHAHAHAHAA LOL
no.
The second law of thermodynamics applies to a closed system. The planet Earth is nothing of the sort, except in a few special cases...
Life on Earth depends on the Sun.... very! And most of the Sun's energy is wasted into space.
So, mr scientist, try not to use that as an argument for anything... it's faulty. Any ideas how sophisticated, self replicating DNA codes wrote themselves from a bunch of random chemicals?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:17 am
Polymerisation.
Your turn.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:20 am
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(March 9, 2016 at 8:07 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 7:46 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Put up $10k and I'll be glad to take your money.
If you do that again, I will report you for online scamming for cash.
I gave you kudos as you made me laugh. 
(March 9, 2016 at 8:14 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Vague prophecies put into a modern context.
ISI has murdered FAR more Muslims than they have Christians, just for being the "wrong" type of Muslim. Does that prophecy therefore mean that Shia Islam is the correct religion? Don't get me started on Islam. I'm simply pointing out that it is very unlikely that an obscure Christian figure 2000 years ago would make a specific prophecy that is now coming true before our eyes.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:31 am
(March 10, 2016 at 7:12 am)AJW333 Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 7:41 pm)pocaracas Wrote: hahahaha reverse entropy!! GHAHAHAHAHAHAA LOL
no.
The second law of thermodynamics applies to a closed system. The planet Earth is nothing of the sort, except in a few special cases...
Life on Earth depends on the Sun.... very! And most of the Sun's energy is wasted into space.
So, mr scientist, try not to use that as an argument for anything... it's faulty. Any ideas how sophisticated, self replicating DNA codes wrote themselves from a bunch of random chemicals?
(March 10, 2016 at 7:17 am)Stimbo Wrote: Polymerisation.
Your turn.
Need I say any more?
(that's just one idea.... more exist, of course)
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:40 am
One idea is really all it takes to puncture the preposterous pomposity of the presumptuous pretence that one's opponents have no ideas.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 10, 2016 at 7:48 am
(March 9, 2016 at 8:48 pm)abaris Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 7:46 pm)AJW333 Wrote: "Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands." Revelation 20:4
To the casual (and dare I say the cynical) observer, this doesn't say much. However let's unpack it a bit. You have an obscure Jewish fisherman 2000 years ago make a prediction that in the last days, just prior to the return of Christ, (modern era) you will have Christians being beheaded for no other reason than being Christian. Until very recently, this wasn't happening, now it is. ISIS is beheading hundreds, if not thousands of Christians as we speak. Was John correct with his prophecy? Absolutely.
Yes, as I said, to the credulous it can mean anything they want it to mean. Do you by any chance remember the old song "bend me, shape me" by The American Breed? It's exactly what you're doing, what everyone's doing when it comes to prophecy.
You're unpacking nothing but your own ignorance here, if you're insisting it has to mean ISIS beheading christians, since the majority of people killed by ISIS are fellow muslims, who, in your christian bigotry, you associate with the mark of the beast.
Yes, bend me, shape me in the worst sense of the word. Quod erat demonstrandum. Is it ignorant to associate Islam with the mark of the beast? Not if you do your homework. The Islamic system is proudly antichrist. All over the Islamic world, they declare "God has no Son." They will openly tell you that Jesus is not the Christ. According to the Bible in 1 John 2:22 it defines "antichrist" as the one who denies Jesus is the Christ. So Islam is clearly an antichrist system. And who is the beast? He is THE antichrist.
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