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You Can't Disprove a Miracle
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I've revised my definition of "miracle":
God stepping in to fix an unforeseen problem with his plan. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (March 8, 2016 at 10:49 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: If we don’t believe in god, we will interpret everything we see with an atheistic paradigm. That would be true, but if there were a god, I would think that it could present such a miracle that even a "100% there can not possibly be a god" atheist like myself would unmistakably recognize as a product of a god. So; 1) There is no god. 2) It does not give a shit.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  (March 12, 2016 at 12:50 pm)robvalue Wrote: I've revised my definition of "miracle": ... because, because his crystal ball broke up or became totally useless. Now within the 2nd law of thermodynamics, that crystal ball has to go downhill and any time become totally useless. And we know that God without a crystal ball... well, what do you expect. (March 11, 2016 at 2:17 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 2:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Sure, NP. They cannot be non-zero without proof either.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy 
And until supernatural agency is shown to exist and to operate in the ways ascribed to it, those variables actually remain at zero.
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle
March 12, 2016 at 1:48 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2016 at 1:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It doesn't matter what the probability is, the equation is useless as advertised. You must know the value to determine the value. A circular proof.
Assume miracle, add numbers, get numbers, declare miracle.  The only miracle here is that someone was foolish enough to offer it up. I;d have assigned a low probability to that beforehand, but hey..improbable things happen.
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 (March 11, 2016 at 2:40 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I don't have to prove any such thing, but there you go again. I'm doing math. Zero times zero plus zero minus zero over zero is zero. Agreed? What is the purpose of telling an atheist that he believes in god? As much energy as theist put into this, you must feel that you have something to gain. What that something might be, I can't imagine.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind. (March 11, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I think you need a healthy dose of Occam's Razor, to be honest. Oh, and please stop strawmanning me. Oh, but didn't you know, the bank put a stop payment on his reality check the day he decided to believe in things that aren't real.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.  (March 12, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And until supernatural agency is shown to exist and to operate in the ways ascribed to it, those variables actually remain at zero. That would be circular logic. We are looking for evidence of supernatural agency. You are saying we cannot ascribe even a probability until what?...we have evidence that supernatural agency exists? |
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