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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm
(May 18, 2016 at 12:31 pm)SteveII Wrote: The question of the existence of God cannot be commented on by science--not at all.
The words of a true fantasist, a person who far prefers to live in the inside of his head rather than the real world.
Steve, the only reason that you want to remove science from any possibility of having an answer to the god question is because (subconsciously at least) you've realised that the more we find out scientifically the more remote the possibility of god becomes.
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 12:30 pm
While I do stand behind my comment that most atheists who think they have a reason for being an atheist (the subject of the OP) are so because of a postitivist philosophy (either knowingly or unknowingly) and such a philosophy is a poor foundation. I wanted to followup on the mention of more sophisticated reasons for being an atheist.
The Problem of Evil is probably the best.
A longer list was posted here (I'm not sure the quality of each one...but at least they are thought out): http://infidels.org/library/modern/nonth...gical.html
Of course there are books and books written addressing these objections, but at least they are not demanding 'empirical, verifiable, or falsifiable evidence' left and right, equating God with leprechauns, unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters, or other dopey arguments from incredulity.
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 12:36 pm
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That's not what "argument from incredulity" means...you realize, lol? If you're going to use the terms..at least take the five seconds to wiki them. We know you have the internet.......
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 1:23 pm
Steve, you still haven't pointed out:
1. Why positivism is a poor foundation
2. Why natural theism isn't
Until you actually articulate it, you're simply asking us to agree with your claims.
Also, you do realize that the other two pillars of your foundation - revelation and personal experience - are utterly useless here, right? Because they aren't evident to others? And because human psychology and bias are things?
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 1:25 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: (May 18, 2016 at 12:31 pm)SteveII Wrote: The question of the existence of God cannot be commented on by science--not at all.
The words of a true fantasist, a person who far prefers to live in the inside of his head rather than the real world.
Steve, the only reason that you want to remove science from any possibility of having an answer to the god question is because (subconsciously at least) you've realised that the more we find out scientifically the more remote the possibility of god becomes.
That is hardly the case. The more we find out about how the universe and living systems work, the more it seems purposefully designed.
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 1:39 pm
Yes, it seems that way to people who already believe that it was. Not so much to those that don't.
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 1:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes, it seems that way to people who already believe that it was. Not so much to those that don't.
Yeah, it depends on your perspective, but biologists agree that it was designed. The question is was it designed by random mutation and natural selection, an intelligent designer, or some third alternative? The first one is becoming less reasonable as we begin to learn about the complex regulatory mechanisms and interplay between the different enzymes.
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 3:06 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm)AAA Wrote: (May 19, 2016 at 1:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes, it seems that way to people who already believe that it was. Not so much to those that don't.
Yeah, it depends on your perspective, but biologists agree that it was designed. The question is was it designed by random mutation and natural selection, an intelligent designer, or some third alternative? The first one is becoming less reasonable as we begin to learn about the complex regulatory mechanisms and interplay between the different enzymes.
Not this tired old shit again. Didn't you already severely derail one thread with your design bullshit?
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 3:12 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 3:06 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (May 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm)AAA Wrote: Yeah, it depends on your perspective, but biologists agree that it was designed. The question is was it designed by random mutation and natural selection, an intelligent designer, or some third alternative? The first one is becoming less reasonable as we begin to learn about the complex regulatory mechanisms and interplay between the different enzymes.
Not this tired old shit again. Didn't you already severely derail one thread with your design bullshit?
Yeah, I just get annoyed when people imply that it is irrational to believe in God. It's fine if people don't think there is a God, but I feel the need to defend the position that it is perfectly rational to think it was designed by intelligence, and that belief in God is not antiscientific.
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RE: Atheism vs. God's Existence
May 19, 2016 at 4:01 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm)AAA Wrote: (May 19, 2016 at 1:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes, it seems that way to people who already believe that it was. Not so much to those that don't.
Yeah, it depends on your perspective, but biologists agree that it was designed. The question is was it designed by random mutation and natural selection, an intelligent designer, or some third alternative? The first one is becoming less reasonable as we begin to learn about the complex regulatory mechanisms and interplay between the different enzymes.
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