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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:18 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:14 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: By agnostic I meant I am neither a believer nor disbeliever that there is a God. To me maybe there is a God and maybe there isn't.
Can you persuade me that there isn't a God?
....aaand thats that, then. Consider yourself converted...and hey, hit up converts corner with an intro, tell us about yourself. 
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:19 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:14 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: (May 19, 2016 at 2:03 pm)The_Empress Wrote: They're not mutually exclusive terms. I am an agnostic atheist.
A/gnosticism has to do with knowledge; A/theism has to do with belief.
By agnostic I meant I am neither a believer nor disbeliever that there is a God. To me maybe there is a God and maybe there isn't.
Can you persuade me that there isn't a God?
But agnosticism has nothing to do with belief.
And no, I can't persuade you because I have a lack of belief in deities, not a positive claim that they don't exist.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (May 19, 2016 at 2:01 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: Can anyone here persuade or convert me from being agnostic to being atheist?
Other than you? Probably not. I suppose we could work on that together, you and I. We'd need to know why you believe in god, first, to understand what you find compelling.
Welcome aboard, btw.
Agnostic is a class of unbeliever. I don't believe that there is a God. But I don't affirmatively disbelieve that there is God.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:01 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: Can anyone here persuade or convert me from being agnostic to being atheist?
Why? You're fine the way you are.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 2:21 pm by robvalue.)
Yeah that's it, you're an atheist!
Welcome aboard 
PS: You're using words differently to us. You may have missed my post on page 1 where I explain it all.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:10 pm)robvalue Wrote: Hello, welcome!
Chances are, you're probably already what we would call "atheist". I explain about atheism and agnosticism on my website. Some people simply use words in different ways, which is fine, as long as we're all clear what they mean.
I have also made a video which explains the ins and outs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d34BmGnrUEI
Thanks!
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:22 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 2:31 pm by Simon Moon.)
(May 19, 2016 at 2:01 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: Can anyone here persuade or convert me from being agnostic to being atheist?
Agnosticism/gnosticism is a position on what one claims to KNOW about the existence of a god.
An agnostic is someone that does not claim to KNOW if a god exists or not.
Atheism/theism is the position on what one BELIEVES concerning the existence of gods.
Agnosticism is NOT a middle ground between theism and atheism. I am an agnostic in that I do not claim to know if gods exist or not. But I am also an atheist, in that I do not currently believe that gods exist.
Belief is defined by contemporary analytic philosophers of mind as being "the psychological state in which one accepts a premise or proposition to be true".
So, if you currently accept the premise that at least one god exists is true, you are a theist. If you don't accept that premise, you are an atheist. There is no middle ground between belief and disbelief. Belief is a binary mental state.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:23 pm
You're welcome
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 2:14 pm)AgnosticMan123 Wrote: (May 19, 2016 at 2:03 pm)The_Empress Wrote: They're not mutually exclusive terms. I am an agnostic atheist.
A/gnosticism has to do with knowledge; A/theism has to do with belief.
By agnostic I meant I am neither a believer nor disbeliever that there is a God. To me maybe there is a God and maybe there isn't.
Can you persuade me that there isn't a God?
You are using a colloquial, and inaccurate, definition of agnostic. The formal definition is "someone that does not know, or believes it is possibly unknowable, if a god exists or not".
There is no middle ground between belief and disbelief. "Belief' is an "on-off" mental state. Either you accept a premise to be true (belief), or you do not accept the premise to be true (disbelief).
Agnosticism and atheism are answers to different questions.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 19, 2016 at 2:32 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 2:34 pm by Athene.)
I don't know...I've got candy, though.
Do you like candy?
Welcome, btw.
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