Someone stole the body!

[Minimalist]

I would encourage you to listen to a recent presentation by Professor Bart Ehrman, who makes an excellent argument that Jesus was tossed into a common burial bit:
The empty tomb is not an ironclad fact of history.

 He isn't someone I care to listen to. I've read one of his books and found it full of errors, erroneous comments, speculations and plenty of if this, if that and any other thing you can think of. He holds no respect from me. He has nothing to go on except to parade his nonsense to people who are gullible enough to listen. There are thousands of Christian scholars who reject him at every turn.

GC

In other words, you didn't understand it.  Not much of a surprise there.  You wouldn't understand anything that did not support your predetermined nonsense.  That is your problem.  Not Ehrman's.

[Godscreated]

The Romans can and did execute any non-Roman citizens "on a whim".  What happened is that Jesus, who was born in Nazareth, was a Jewish apocalyptic preacher who "prophesied" that "the Son of Man" would come to destroy the Roman empire.  Some of his followers in Galilee encouraged him to take his message down south to Jerusalem, where he got arrested by the Romans after causing a ruckus in the Temple; after a brief examination, he was sentenced to execution, likely, with the approval of the Jewish authorities.  He and Pilate, the Govenor, probably never even met.

 Where did you dig up this bunch of falsehoods, I mean really the disciples talk Jesus into anything, that's a laugh. The gospels tell us that Jesus did the will of the Father, over and over and over. Jesus said, I do the will of the Father and not my own, so He certainly wasn't going to listen to His disciples. He actually rebuked the when they spoke out of the will of the Father.

GC

[Minimalist]

You can repeat The Three Little Pigs  until you are blue in the face, too.  Won't make it true.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Where the fuck did you get that from?

Jesus! Don't you know anything?  Do you think ancient goat herders wrote down long detailed fairy tales with loads of dialogue?  The Bible was a complete creation by English writers around the year 700 AD.  The damn thing didn't exist before they wrote it.

[Minimalist]

So the 4th century Greek copies we have don't really exist?

You know....you've been listening to Drumpf too long.  Time for you to take a little rest in a sanitarium.



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Good luck with the Greek.

[robvalue]

Someone stole the body!

All we have is Jesus' head! What use is that? Is it going to suck the sin out of me?

[Jehanne]

The Romans can and did execute any non-Roman citizens "on a whim".  What happened is that Jesus, who was born in Nazareth, was a Jewish apocalyptic preacher who "prophesied" that "the Son of Man" would come to destroy the Roman empire.  Some of his followers in Galilee encouraged him to take his message down south to Jerusalem, where he got arrested by the Romans after causing a ruckus in the Temple; after a brief examination, he was sentenced to execution, likely, with the approval of the Jewish authorities.  He and Pilate, the Govenor, probably never even met.

 Where did you dig up this bunch of falsehoods, I mean really the disciples talk Jesus into anything, that's a laugh. The gospels tell us that Jesus did the will of the Father, over and over and over. Jesus said, I do the will of the Father and not my own, so He certainly wasn't going to listen to His disciples. He actually rebuked the when they spoke out of the will of the Father.

GC

The Gospels are not reliable history, although, the synoptics, Mark especially, do contain some authentic teachings of Jesus; it is likely that John was a completely emblished theological work that contains no true sayings of Jesus.  The author of that Gospel did not even care about the historical record.

As Jesus was just a human being like you or me (especially, with some significant mental health problems and largely ignorant of the World & Universe), it stands to reason that he was persuaded by others to do different things; in fact, Mark records these events:

Mark 3:21 And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, "He is beside himself."

People who knew Jesus thought that he was loopy, for he thought that the end of the World would happen during his lifetime:

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."

[Minimalist]

although, the synoptics, Mark especially, do contain some authentic teachings of Jesus

Such as?

[Godscreated]

 Where did you dig up this bunch of falsehoods, I mean really the disciples talk Jesus into anything, that's a laugh. The gospels tell us that Jesus did the will of the Father, over and over and over. Jesus said, I do the will of the Father and not my own, so He certainly wasn't going to listen to His disciples. He actually rebuked the when they spoke out of the will of the Father.

GC

The Gospels are not reliable history, although, the synoptics, Mark especially, do contain some authentic teachings of Jesus; it is likely that John was a completely emblished theological work that contains no true sayings of Jesus.  The author of that Gospel did not even care about the historical record.

The Gospels are the only information we have, that's why anything you say outside of them is speculation at best and biased crap at the worse. John wrote a spiritual Gospel, the Love Gospel. You can't prove that John did not record true sayings of Jesus, you nor any of those who claim this was there, so again, no that's just biased crap. John didn't care about historical data, He was writing to the people of his time who already knew the events of their times. Outside of the scriptures you haven't anything to disprove them and they have stood the test of time, 2000 years of time, no one has been able to refute them in all that time, so why are you continuing to post nonsense.

As Jesus was just a human being like you or me (especially, with some significant mental health problems and largely ignorant of the World & Universe), it stands to reason that he was persuaded by others to do different things; in fact, Mark records these events:

Jesus was man and God, this is what scripture reports and you have no other writings to confirm your statement. Jesus as God told people that the Jewish nation would be as innumerable as the stars. Now at that time only as small, very small fraction of stars could be seen, as a matter of fact those observable stars could be counted somewhere around 6000 visible at any one time. So how was it that the writers of scripture knew that the stars were innumerable, the Creator Christ told them. As for His mental health you need to bring proof period.

Mark 3:21 And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, "He is beside himself."

People who knew Jesus thought that he was loopy, for he thought that the end of the World would happen during his lifetime:

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."

 Answer to Mark 3:21
 Do you really think those men who followed Jesus would actually portray Him as a loon, that wouldn't speak well of them now would it.
I as well as you have heard people saying someone was out of their mind, not because they were but because of the reaction others had toward them. Jesus family was saying this because of the reaction people were having toward Him in His early ministry. This particular occasion had people gathered so abundantly that they didn't even prepare food for themselves, this wasn't Jesus fault. This is the rational thought and truth of scripture. 
 Your cherry picking of the scriptures leaves little doubt in my mind you can't understand scripture so you find snippets of certain verses to try and make your case, that's dishonest.

 Answer to Mark 9:1
 Please explain to me what the kingdom of God is, hint, not the second coming nor heaven is being referred to here, so why don't you search out what Jesus was actually saying. Remember the verse says "with power", so what could it possibly be, another hint it's here right now, today and till the end of time.

GC

[Godscreated]

 He isn't someone I care to listen to. I've read one of his books and found it full of errors, erroneous comments, speculations and plenty of if this, if that and any other thing you can think of. He holds no respect from me. He has nothing to go on except to parade his nonsense to people who are gullible enough to listen. There are thousands of Christian scholars who reject him at every turn.

GC

In other words, you didn't understand it.  Not much of a surprise there.  You wouldn't understand anything that did not support your predetermined nonsense.  That is your problem.  Not Ehrman's.

Oh yes I understood it alright, it was a bunch of what ifs and maybes and that sort of nonsense. Min I study to find out if my stances are the correct ones, sometimes I find I was wrong and others are confirmed by my studies. You are the one who lives by his biases as a lifestyle, so take the log from your eye bfore you accuse me of having a speck in mine.

GC