Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god

[drfuzzy]

[Esquilax]

MaelstromAs wise and mature as Blueyedlion wishes he was, he is still arguing his personal reality as valid over the reality in which most of us live without delusion.

How so? Everyone has their own 'personal reality' the only difference is most people are trying to figure themselves out in comparison to others, that road goes absolutely nowhere. Reality is shaped by the collective experiences of conscious choices, but no one can perceive the reason behind anyone elses choices made outside of their own. So when you judge and compare and say, this behavior is wrong regardless what i think. That behavior you are judging, is built upon so many influences, so many interactions and factors, that for you to make some sort of vague understanding of the very small amount of information available to you, will only be one side of a reality you cant imagine to piece together because you weren't the one living that experience yourself to know.

There are layers upon layers i can go much further, explaining why this relates to there being a god. But before going into that, you can already see how consciousness is the most important factor in understanding reality and oneself. If consciousness wasn't in anyway relevant then it would be easy for you to dismiss this. What does the significance of consciousness then tell you about the nature of reality? The main reason atheists don't think in this way, is because they think consciousness is a symptom of the brain, so judging just means using your brain as a tool to figure out what ever you're exposed to without restraint, and if someone is blind to what you're exposed to, or behaves in a way you wouldn't, you're then thinking 'well we both have capable brains so everyone should behave in some uniform way if we gather enough evidence - everything should exist the same way for everyone uniformly because our brains are just observing what's already there." Science already says this is wrong and yet continues to apply itself as if it agreed, all because if the scientific community were to openly admit that consciousness manifests reality, then god comes into play, or at least a universal mind.

And for a few main reasons i can get into some other time, that openly accepting there is likely cause of their being a god, would simply cripple their ego. Simple as that.

You say science backs you: do you have any peer reviewed mainstream research backing you up? Or are you just attempting to piggyback on science by fiat?

[Whateverist]

Blue Eyed Lion, would you mind responding to one question survey for me?


I'd like to ask where you stand on the Troll to Crank continuum.

1 -  An admitted troll with no attachment to any of the views you've represented here, let alone to any real world friends.

2 -  A troll but deep under cover (so don't tell anyone).

3 -  I lack that sort of personal insight.

4 -  My ideas may strike you as those of a crank but I assure you that after much thought I stand behind each one.

5 -  Yeah, I'm a crank.


Thank you for your participation.

[robvalue]

I don't care if there's a god, besides simple scientific curiosity, and I'm not sure why some people are so obsessed with trying to railroad people into agreement about it.

[purplepurpose]

I don't care if there's a god, besides simple scientific curiosity, and I'm not sure why some people are so obsessed with trying to railroad people into agreement about it.

Heaven for preaching Gods will and living by it yourself. Magical profit. Calm fate can turn in to fanatical sometimes.

[drfuzzy]

I don't care if there's a god, besides simple scientific curiosity, and I'm not sure why some people are so obsessed with trying to railroad people into agreement about it.

Heaven for preaching Gods will and living by it yourself. Magical profit. Calm fate can turn in to fanatical sometimes.

Yeah, there are people out there who actually believe that they will be awarded "crowns" . . . riches . . . bigger mansions . . . in heaven for saving souls.  They get all ecstatic at the thought of having a bigger mansion in heaven  - -  apparently there will be class distinctions there too.  Sky Daddy will love some of 'em better than others, in heaven just like on earth.

[Esquilax]

Yeah, there are people out there who actually believe that they will be awarded "crowns" . . . riches . . . bigger mansions . . . in heaven for saving souls.  They get all ecstatic at the thought of having a bigger mansion in heaven  - -  apparently there will be class distinctions there too.  Sky Daddy will love some of 'em better than others, in heaven just like on earth.

It's actually a pretty ingenious racket: sure, just being a member of the in-group will get you your reward, but if you're aggressive in attempting to expand the in-group, there's a super special extra reward waiting for you! The blanket forgiveness for sin- which christianity needs to grant in order to be necessary at all- on its own breeds complacency, and there needs to be some spice for the pot in order to make those ideas vital and infectious.

[Blueyedlion]

[ignoramus]

Theists, see what your indoctrination does!

It turns potentially intelligent people into babbling village idiots!
Your parents have a lot to answer for.

You know, it takes a lot less energy to just read a science book.
But instead you're all hung up on the stupid afterlife carrot.

That's only there for fools. Are you guys fools?

[robvalue]

What the fuck? Quantum entanglement?

Science does not demonstrate woo. If it did, the woo would actually be science. Woo is what peope add on to whatever science shows.

I'm not sure if this guy is for real or not.