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Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 11:26 am
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(June 1, 2016 at 5:15 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Constable Dorfl
(May 28, 2016 at 11:51 pm)Blueyedlion Wrote: "You must first prove that this attribute exists" What is always present, the universe. tick.
The existence of the universe proves god in the same fashion it proves invisible pink unicorns. It doesn't prove either.
If you believe god is the universe you need to provide compelling, independent, verifialbe and falsifiable evidece supoorting your case. Pointing at the universe and shouting "there's god!" is as useful as me pointing at a bowl of icecream as evidence for Jack Frost.
Pretty sure i don't have the scientific background applicable to sufficiency sell you a promising god theory.
So instead I'll just use logic, and in doing so ill reaffirm the depth of what it means for a god to be omni present, omni-being and omni-everywhere which implies god is never absent from anything and anyone. So in other words let's hypothetically say there is a god and it is -
Present in all moments of time. Moments of time you experience as you, and all moments of time everyone else experiences as them.
Everywhere in every parts of space. Your body, your environment and everyone's body and environment.
Being as everyone. Being as you as you are right now and everyone else.
So let's deconstruct the personal implications of what this means to yourself shall we -
Imagine as you are right now, you're god... That means that everybody and everything, in all of space and time is within you and us all. The whole infinite universe is literately your very being. And everything you see from your body to people walking down the street, to the violence in the middle east, to the furthermost reaches of stars you can see and beyond are only a external representation, a reflection, a mirror of you. And every moment that you interact with the reflection of yourself, the more that reveals about who you already are.
In this way of thinking, are you absent from yourself? Is space, is time? Since these three things are you right now - You are space, time, being. The next question is, how can time separate itself from itself? or space? ...or being...
I'll leave the rest up to you.
:: chokes on popcorn::
I'm sorry, was that supposed to be coherent?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 12:41 pm
Blueyedlion Wrote:Quote:Dude that's hilarity! 'i cant understand where you're coming from so it must be drugs or you're mentality bugged.' Nice one... 
When no one can understand where you're coming from, it's time to seriously consider that maybe it's you.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 12:49 pm
This seems to be a form of pantheism. It's almost as if Little Rik learned english.
Seriously Blueyedlion, I'd like to understand your position a bit more. From what i've gathered skimming these pages is you believe a non-personal, all-encompassing "entity" labeled as God. Correct? Basically God is everything, me, you, the trees, the water, etc?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 1:02 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Kingpin Wrote: It's almost as if Little Rik learned english.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 1:10 pm
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Here you go ... help yourselves, folks:
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 1:11 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 1:02 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Kingpin Wrote: It's almost as if Little Rik learned english.
Lol figured someone would enjoy that. 
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 2:03 pm
It's a 15-page long equivocation fallacy so far. How many pages before it's acknowledged I wonder?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 2:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: It's a 15-page long equivocation fallacy so far. How many pages before it's acknowledged I wonder?
That depends; there aren't many pages around anymore after the fall of serfdom and the end of practical nobility but I'm sure we can dig up some of them to acknowledge the fallacy.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 4:35 pm
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(May 31, 2016 at 9:39 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: (May 29, 2016 at 4:11 am)quip Wrote: Mankind simply suffers with the knowledge that objectivity marginalizes subjectivity...as humans we seek and desire external affirmation, as a consequent we suffer with the understanding (and perhaps the avidity) that - justly or unjustly - in many instances, might makes for right...or rather the illusory intimation thereof.
So what does objectivity have to do with might makes right? Can you elaborate on this? I don't understand how they imply eachother
Simply put...on the whole, we're insecure regarding our subjective experiences. We seek authoritarian answers from sources/institutions who in turn service said authority with the associated power such engenders. Might makes right....right?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 1, 2016 at 4:40 pm
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That sounds like some weird take on an ontological argument. The OP, that is.
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