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RE: Wish
June 7, 2016 at 9:04 pm
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(June 7, 2016 at 6:11 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: (June 7, 2016 at 5:46 pm)RozKek Wrote: You're probably not going to find one of those people here like Agenda said. But I'll add my two cents. Personally I don't believe in a godless afterlife, it has no base, to me it seems more like wishful thinking. And I am very content with permanent death. I might even go as far as saying I prefer permanent death over an afterlife, I don't know why. Although I don't mind being immortal under certain circumstances i.e everyone else is immortal with me, I suffer no diseases etc, although I'm fine with sadness because I very much appreciate the happiness I feel after experiencing sadness. I believe happiness can't exist without sadness. And I want to be able to end my life in an instant whenever I want too.
I can't help but feel that by you asking these questions you're worried about death and an afterlife. If you want you can pm me and we can talk.
Edit; Want to clarify that I wouldn't believe in an afterlife even if I wanted it to exist. I strongly dislike wishful thinking and being irrational.
I feel that people dislike the idea of afterlife not because its irrational, but because it involves magical creator/source, which puts us in the position of miserable servants who happily serves and accepts with smile all thing master is giving. Its like a metaphorical suicide. Its... unacceptable unless you are veryyyyy miserable in life.
What makes you think that all conceived of afterlifes have a creator/source that puts us in the position of miserable servants?
I don't believe the Hindu afterlife has such a god.
Not all people that disbelieve in an afterlife dislike the idea of one. It probably depends on the description of the afterlife.
Quote:God certainly exists in my opinion, but serving his idealistic views and killing earthly happiness for higher goals isn't acceptable for me.o
So, are you saying that the god you believe exists, is a bit of a dick? You don't seem to like his idea of an afterlife.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Wish
June 7, 2016 at 9:21 pm
(June 7, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Being a magi, I have to believe in the magic, and I think a godless afterlife is very much possible with the magic of science  [by afterlife I mean survival of consciousness without our flesh and blood physical bodies]
Are you sure that you are not there now? 
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RE: Wish
June 7, 2016 at 11:26 pm
(June 7, 2016 at 9:21 pm)IATIA Wrote: (June 7, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Being a magi, I have to believe in the magic, and I think a godless afterlife is very much possible with the magic of science [by afterlife I mean survival of consciousness without our flesh and blood physical bodies]
Are you sure that you are not there now?
Yes quite sure, especially since I managed to cut my finger again while preparing dinner today, which in turn assured me I still retain my flesh and blood body.
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 2:26 am
(June 7, 2016 at 6:11 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: I feel that people dislike the idea of afterlife not because its irrational, but because it involves magical creator/source, which puts us in the position of miserable servants who happily serves and accepts with smile all thing master is giving. Its like a metaphorical suicide. Its... unacceptable unless you are veryyyyy miserable in life.
God certainly exists in my opinion, but serving his idealistic views and killing earthly happiness for higher goals isn't acceptable for me.
No. It's irrational. There is no evidence at all for an afterlife and if you search for it you'll probably end up deeply in some deepak shit, I don't advise that. So if one believes in an afterlife they've either been deeply missinformed or they want for an afterlife to exist so they believe in it just because they want to with no evidence backing them up. But if evidence shows up for an afterlife, sure, I'll believe an afterlife exists in that case.
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 2:33 am
(June 8, 2016 at 2:26 am)RozKek Wrote: (June 7, 2016 at 6:11 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: I feel that people dislike the idea of afterlife not because its irrational, but because it involves magical creator/source, which puts us in the position of miserable servants who happily serves and accepts with smile all thing master is giving. Its like a metaphorical suicide. Its... unacceptable unless you are veryyyyy miserable in life.
God certainly exists in my opinion, but serving his idealistic views and killing earthly happiness for higher goals isn't acceptable for me.
No. It's irrational. There is no evidence at all for an afterlife and if you search for it you'll probably end up deeply in some deepak shit, I don't advise that. So if one believes in an afterlife they've either been deeply missinformed or they want for an afterlife to exist so they believe in it just because they want to with no evidence backing them up. But if evidence shows up for an afterlife, sure, I'll believe an afterlife exists in that case.
if evidence shows up you won't be able to believe. You will know.
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 2:35 am
(June 8, 2016 at 2:33 am)purplepurpose Wrote: (June 8, 2016 at 2:26 am)RozKek Wrote: No. It's irrational. There is no evidence at all for an afterlife and if you search for it you'll probably end up deeply in some deepak shit, I don't advise that. So if one believes in an afterlife they've either been deeply missinformed or they want for an afterlife to exist so they believe in it just because they want to with no evidence backing them up. But if evidence shows up for an afterlife, sure, I'll believe an afterlife exists in that case.
if evidence shows up you won't be able to believe. You will know.
Unless I'm irrational and reject/ignore the evidence.
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 4:39 am
(June 8, 2016 at 2:33 am)purplepurpose Wrote: if evidence shows up you won't be able to believe. You will know.
Good luck with that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 5:10 am
(June 8, 2016 at 2:33 am)purplepurpose Wrote: (June 8, 2016 at 2:26 am)RozKek Wrote: No. It's irrational. There is no evidence at all for an afterlife and if you search for it you'll probably end up deeply in some deepak shit, I don't advise that. So if one believes in an afterlife they've either been deeply missinformed or they want for an afterlife to exist so they believe in it just because they want to with no evidence backing them up. But if evidence shows up for an afterlife, sure, I'll believe an afterlife exists in that case.
if evidence shows up you won't be able to believe. You will know.
Amazing how, in the hundred or so thousand years of human existence, there has not been one piece of irrefutable evidence. Not one.
I find that odd, don't you?
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 5:12 am
I'd settle for convincing.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Wish
June 8, 2016 at 5:17 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2016 at 5:19 am by robvalue.)
I believe it's mostly likely that when I die, my consciousness will end, and that will be it for "me". My component parts will be recycled. I don't claim to know this for sure.
I'm very happy with this outcome. I'd only switch it for an afterlife if it was one fully under my control. Otherwise, I'd do my innings and retire.
My feelings about it don't affect the truth, of course. I follow the evidence. And I'm not aware of anything (credible) that suggests any other outcome.
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