Wish

[mlmooney89]

Are you content with the idea of permanent death?(materialistic world view). And isn't Ironical that pride and independence can only brings us "nothing"?

Are there people here who dont believe in gods idea and believe in godless afterlife? Isn't hypocritical to do so, as magic once accepted has no boundaries.

Religion and philosophy, in my opinion, bring only mental pain in the end, and thats why people avoide them. Although I admire believers suicidal tendencies towards their earthly pleasure to do more good things instead or pleasant.

I am a very black and white kind of person. To me there is no afterlife at all. My mind will stop and I won't feel pain, sadness, longing, anything. Because of that I am not afraid of death. I am very afraid of the pain I might experience before actual death but not once I go. I am also afraid of the pain I will leave my family in but that can't be helped. I don't think it is ironic that I get nothing in the end because to me this is all we get and we live for here and now not for taking things with us in the end.

I honestly can't grasp the idea of accepting an afterlife but not a god. To me they go hand in hand. If I were to believe one why wouldn't I believe in the other. I don't know if I would label it hypocritical but it is very confusing to me how people decide which sounds real.

Once more I think we disagree in that I think religion will bring happiness in the end for most people. If it comforts them right before their death so they die happy then I can't see the problem with that. For me they will never know they were wrong so no harm no foul.

[account_inactive]

Are you content with the idea of permanent death?

Yes.

[Losty]

If by afterlife you mean being buried in a pod with a tree seed...sure there's afterlife. After existence...we could exist forever. We could be particles in some future rock or star or who knows. Even after all life on earth has ended I think we will all still exist physically in some form or other. I think that's pretty cool and that's about as magical as my thinking gets. As far as an afterlife where I'm still me and conscious and such...no

[robvalue]

[Minimalist]

The afterlife is a testament to human ego.

[purplepurpose]

Fun part is that even scientists struggle with abstract questions. For example "How "nothing" produced something?"(question from audience). Top scientist when was pushed against the wall with this question responded in a very surprising manner "I believe our brains logic is flawed. It has evolved to survive for the most part and cannot comprehend such complex questions". Its only his theory.

[madog]

Fun part is that even scientists struggle with abstract questions.  For example "How "nothing" produced something?"(question from audience). Top scientist when was pushed against the wall with this question responded in a very surprising manner "I believe our brains logic is flawed. It has evolved to survive for the most part and cannot comprehend such complex questions". Its only his theory.

I think you are talking about Lawrence Krauss .... note he tells you clearly when he has empirical evidence and when it is his opinion .... He also makes it clear that he will chuck his opinions out with yesterdays newspaper if new empirical evidence shows his opinion to be flawed.

No one is against holding opinions, Christians have notions and push them on people as if they are facts .... the thousands of different christian denominations and their arguments can't all be right ... yet they are willing to stake their lives, but more importantly their children's lives and anyone else they can indoctrinate regardless of the evidence 

[purplepurpose]

Christians attack mind, its one thing. Jihad who is on the rise thanks to NATO will rape and kill infidels. Jihad makes Christians look like cute baby who demands more good deeds.

NATO is governed by nonbelievers(I guess) and those guys provoced most fanatical nation on the planet in the name of profit. Everyone fucked up big time.

[Sterben]

The after life is a fairy tale told through out the ages to give children hope and comfort. It's not until you have a person or pet that you were close to die, the reality of life then back hands you harshly. This is the moment in life were you grow up and learn to enjoy every moment you can with those you care about. It's a prevented concept that you will see them again, enjoy what time you have with them and keep living your life. Don't live a fairy tale into adult hood, you will never meet prince charming, you will never be truly happy based upon your idea of happiness. and you will never always have moments that are on a happy loop.

[Simon Moon]

Fun part is that even scientists struggle with abstract questions.  For example "How "nothing" produced something?"(question from audience). Top scientist when was pushed against the wall with this question responded in a very surprising manner "I believe our brains logic is flawed. It has evolved to survive for the most part and cannot comprehend such complex questions". Its only his theory.

First of all, the definition of "nothing" in physics is not the same as "absolute nothingness". It is absolutely impossible for anything, including a god, to act on nothingness. It is an incoherent statement to say that "nothingness became something". But that is not what physicists are saying.

Yes, it is true that our brains have evolved in order to help us survive on the African plains, not to ponder reality. It is possible that we may never be able to completely comprehend the nature of reality. 

The problem is when people claim to know what the nature of reality is, like theists for example. The inference and induction that serves us so well in our day to day lives, fails with the nature of reality. But theists continue to use it, despite its failures. 

 Its only his theory.

This is intellectually dishonest equivocation.

The definition of the word "theory" in science is not the same as it is used colloquially. What you are tossing off with a wave of your hand as "only a theory" is backed by mountains of evidence and eloquent math to support it. It may not be complete, or completely understood, but it is drastically better than saying "god did it".