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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 11:09 am
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(July 2, 2016 at 12:39 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Yeah, it's pretty much that thing when you ask yourself something and whichever answer seems right you go along with, except probably more intense than that since you actually have a reason you believe in that it works.
I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that the more you believe the more are your brain patterns modified by that belief and the more distorted your worldview is as a result. Including such normally incredible things as someone talking to you in your own mind. It may happen for a lot of believers yet be so 'natural' for them that it's never classified as a symptom of mental illness. And maybe it shouldn't be either, so long as they're actually high-functioning individuals. Well, of course, being religious necessarily makes you a worse model than a non-religious person, as far as thinking things go, but maybe that's not always cause for extreme measures.
Or maybe... Maybe, they're simply imagining someone talking to them. I do it sometimes when I want to entertain myself, or when I replay a scene from real life in my head, either exactly as it occured, or with my own modifications. The effect is incredibly real, I can actually hear in my mind the voice(s) I conjure up and the process of making it say specific things is so subtle as to be almost automatic. Maybe that's what is happening here, in which case it's actually pretty trivial. Did you really say that one of faith in a singular creative force is necessarily of a lower intellect than a nihilist?
I know you didn't use those exact words but still.
As if all scientific advancement was made by atheists or something.
Don't be so quick to make the opinion of the masses your own. Especially such a biased opinion as that.
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 11:10 am
(July 2, 2016 at 1:39 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 2, 2016 at 12:11 am)Darwins Disciple Wrote: I was in an Army unit that required psychological evaluations. One of the questions repeated several times "Do you speak to God?"
If you answered yes, it would lead to more delving questions. If you really thought you were speaking with God, you would be called into psychiatrists - they would be all over you.
I know of at least 1 person that was removed from the program, Failed Psych Exam, because he heard voices and spoke with God.
Moses heard God yakking all the time. How do we know? Because a guy who wasn't there recorded their conversations word for word. Moses conveyed things to his brother Aaron if I'm not mistaken. But I could be wrong.
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 11:14 am
(July 2, 2016 at 3:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: Some birds just flew past outside.
Was that a message? If I want it to be, it is, and the message is whatever I like.
Hey this is easier than I thought!
PS: Wait, if God is "sending" people to answer prayers, is he overriding their free will then? No because they choose to follow GOD.
Also a sign isn't based in everyday occurrences and is for a vain people. The truth of GOD lie within all scriptures of the faithful and in the selfless conscience.
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 11:16 am
(July 2, 2016 at 3:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: If our actions are not pretermined then knowledge of them is impossible. Can't have it both ways. You're just avoiding having to think about the question.
You give God too many powers, he ties himself up in knots and ends up unable to do anything at all. Nonsense.
If one is omniscient then there is no limit to its knowledge. There could literally be infinite variables for any one scenario at any given time, yet an omniscient thing could effortlessly know them all and which will be ultimately done.
Right?
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm
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(July 3, 2016 at 3:35 am)robvalue Wrote: (July 2, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Lek Wrote: God does many impossible things.
Consider for a moment what you're saying. Please.
You're willing to make statements like this to rationalise your beliefs?
If it was a joke, then haha, I guess
Of course I'm serious. You're taking a supernatural God and applying human measurements to what he can do. If he is confined to natural laws then he's not God.
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 12:23 pm
If only you had evidence for your "supernatural" god you'd be sitting pretty. But.
Big butt coming there, you don't.
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 3, 2016 at 3:35 am)robvalue Wrote: Consider for a moment what you're saying. Please.
You're willing to make statements like this to rationalise your beliefs?
If it was a joke, then haha, I guess
Of course I'm serious. You're taking a supernatural God and applying human measurements to what he can do. If he is confined to natural laws then he's not God.
Where did I say anything about natural laws or human measurements?
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 11:09 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: (July 2, 2016 at 12:39 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Yeah, it's pretty much that thing when you ask yourself something and whichever answer seems right you go along with, except probably more intense than that since you actually have a reason you believe in that it works.
I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that the more you believe the more are your brain patterns modified by that belief and the more distorted your worldview is as a result. Including such normally incredible things as someone talking to you in your own mind. It may happen for a lot of believers yet be so 'natural' for them that it's never classified as a symptom of mental illness. And maybe it shouldn't be either, so long as they're actually high-functioning individuals. Well, of course, being religious necessarily makes you a worse model than a non-religious person, as far as thinking things go, but maybe that's not always cause for extreme measures.
Or maybe... Maybe, they're simply imagining someone talking to them. I do it sometimes when I want to entertain myself, or when I replay a scene from real life in my head, either exactly as it occured, or with my own modifications. The effect is incredibly real, I can actually hear in my mind the voice(s) I conjure up and the process of making it say specific things is so subtle as to be almost automatic. Maybe that's what is happening here, in which case it's actually pretty trivial. Did you really say that one of faith in a singular creative force is necessarily of a lower intellect than a nihilist?
I know you didn't use those exact words but still.
As if all scientific advancement was made by atheists or something.
Don't be so quick to make the opinion of the masses your own. Especially such a biased opinion as that.
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What I said was that a religious person is necessarily less intelligent than a non-religious person in at least one area(as well as in everything else that one area affects). Case in point, you seem to think that the world is divided between people of faith and nihilists, that idiotic statement is surely influenced by your "faith".
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 3:30 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: (July 3, 2016 at 11:09 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: Did you really say that one of faith in a singular creative force is necessarily of a lower intellect than a nihilist?
I know you didn't use those exact words but still.
As if all scientific advancement was made by atheists or something.
Don't be so quick to make the opinion of the masses your own. Especially such a biased opinion as that.
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What I said was that a religious person is necessarily less intelligent than a non-religious person in at least one area(as well as in everything else that one area affects). Case in point, you seem to think that the world is divided between people of faith and nihilists, that idiotic statement is surely influenced by your "faith". No, I don't and nihilist probably wasn't the best word to use.
I was simply making a point, if passively, that nihilism is about the most willfully ignorant stance I have heard of as of yet.
Do you presume to gauge my intellect, by the conflation of a singular term on my part?
If your theory is that atheists or nonbelievers are more intelligent than believers as a default then surly you can affirm or back this claim with some sort of evidence. Or perhaps we could do a little research on the brightest minds in history. Maybe we could just talk about things (assuming you are a non believer) and come to an honest, unbiased conclusion that way.
Though my initial wording was poor; my claim stands; yours is unsupported conjecture.
Of course all this is merely opinion at this point without evidence or some sort of test.
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RE: How Do Christians Know When God Is Speaking to Them?
July 3, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 3, 2016 at 3:35 am)robvalue Wrote: Consider for a moment what you're saying. Please.
You're willing to make statements like this to rationalise your beliefs?
If it was a joke, then haha, I guess
Of course I'm serious. You're taking a supernatural God and applying human measurements to what he can do. If he is confined to natural laws then he's not God.
Can God cease to exist or stop being God?
No, then there are things God finds impossible to do.
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