I understand the semantics between "I do not believe in god(s)" and "no god(s) are in existence", but they are both the same concept.
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Shouldn't Atheists learn to accept religion?
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RE: Shouldn't Atheists learn to accept religion?
June 17, 2016 at 7:33 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 7:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You've met people who claim that gods -can't- exist? The strong atheist position is that they don't, that the statement "at least one god exists" is false...not that they can't.
Do you recall why, by chance? Morbid curiosity, lol.
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 RE: Shouldn't Atheists learn to accept religion?
June 17, 2016 at 7:52 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 8:03 pm by madog.)
I don't care what anyone thinks, but I find the statement 100% no Gods exist as disturbing as 100% (a) God/s exist ....
I don't believe anything 100%, but I don't disbelieve anything 100%. I might almost certainly believe something or almost certainly not believe something but that is my limit ....
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
 (June 17, 2016 at 7:52 pm)madog Wrote: I don't care what anyone thinks, but I find the statement no Gods exist as disturbing as (a) God/s exist .... As quite the forum militant atheist, because honestly militant atheism does not spread further than the internet, I can state with certainty that you have more to fear from the latter than the former.
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RE: Shouldn't Atheists learn to accept religion?
June 17, 2016 at 7:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 7:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
There are limits to our knowledge. The people who say that no gods exist take all of that for granted just as you do. It would make for an unwieldy preamble though....running off a list of every caveat to -any- knowledge claim.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(June 17, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The people who say that no gods exist take all of that for granted just as you do. Hardly. I have made the case quite clear that if any god existed, there would be actual proof of its existence. The fact that there has been no proof within the past two thousand years speaks volumes toward god not existing.
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RE: Shouldn't Atheists learn to accept religion?
June 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 8:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I was speaking more towards the fundamental limits to knowledge that make a person call something like the sun rising in the morning a "99.9999% certainty". The terminus of every brain in a vat discussion. Or, "what if there's something you don't know"?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Shouldn't Atheists learn to accept religion?
June 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 8:06 pm by madog.)
(June 17, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(June 17, 2016 at 7:52 pm)madog Wrote: I don't care what anyone thinks, but I find the statement no Gods exist as disturbing as (a) God/s exist .... Ooops I forgot the 100% in the first line, I have now edited  You can replace God/s with anything such as the "Flying spaghetti monster" I would find it just as disturbing either way if the statement is 100% .... I think anything conceived in our minds could exist, though almost certainly doesn't
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
(June 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm)madog Wrote: I think anything conceived in our minds could exist, though almost certainly doesn't Not anything. Something conceived through the mind that makes itself into actual existence, an architect designing a building, is one thing. Something else conceived through the mind, clearly given the connotation of fiction because it has no place in reality, is something else entirely.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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