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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 8:06 pm
(July 1, 2016 at 11:28 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The apostles had the power to call fire down from heaven to consume their enemies. When Jesus was being crucified they were lounging around eating figs, dates, and roasted lamb. Imagine how impressive that would have been. The apostles do their magic and fireballs cook the crowd and Jesus is saved. But if Jesus was God why didn't he save himself? And if he was God how did he ever allow himself to get into the position where he needed to be saved? It must have been because he had had too much wine.
You've inspired a thought there.
At least one of the disciples had to be a True Christian, you know, the kind that can speak in tongues, swill poison, torment deadly serpents, and HEAL BY LAYING ON OF THE HANDS !!!!!!
Maybe Jesus wasn't resurrected, maybe instead, Barnabas or Zach or Philemon HEALED him in the tomb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm
Wait a minute . . . . .
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 10:58 pm
(July 1, 2016 at 11:29 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (July 1, 2016 at 10:23 am)Darwins Disciple Wrote: Without a doubt, SAVE JESUS
If he did not die a martyr, his movement would have fallen into the scrap heap of apocalyptic cults of the time. This would spare humanity from this backward dark age philosophy thought.
I interesting to hear a Christians view on this moral dilemma: Save Jesus and no Christianity or Kill Jesus and have Christianity.
I have a feeling most Christians would rationalize KILLING JESUS. (Consistent with their hypocrisy).
I was thinking about this in the "suicide" thread. I'm a little concerned, in the low view many seem to be portraying in one person sacrificing themselves to save others. I think that it is noble. While technically, a suicide mission is suicide I think that the motives make an important distinction.
As to your "moral dilemma", I think that if we get rid of the mischaracterizations, then I believe the dilemma disappears. As an ethical situation, killing someone, and not interfering with them saving others knowing, that they will die, is not the same thing.
Within the proper context, I don't see the hypocrisy.
Interesting concept about "suicide". However, Jesus last words " Father,....why have you forsaken me?", leads me to believe he did not see the end coming this manner, thus may not have been suicide.
Back to the hypothetical OP question, If you had the power to save Jesus - would you? Assuming lack of action or no action results in Jesus death, this is equivalent to Killing Jesus. (keeping it very simplistic) with the intention to frame a moral dilemma, you only have 2 choices SAVE or KILL.
Note: there is no right or wrong answer in solving a moral dilemma, judgement lies in WHY you selected course of action.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm
Why would I save him when he is going to rise from the dead anyway?
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 11:17 pm
Yes I'd have saved him, because no he didn't rise from the dead, because no magic doesn't exist. He was just some philosophical hippie.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 11:25 pm
If even that.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 11:28 pm
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(July 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Why would I save him when he is going to rise from the dead anyway?
Excellent response and a very moral answer, initially. However your actions would result in the rise of Christianity. As an Atheist, how moral is your decision knowing the 1,000 years of Dark Ages will follow?
fyi, Your answer could be used by Christians to justify KILL Jesus, morally, AND give rise to Christianity. Which they believe is good for humanity.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 1, 2016 at 11:38 pm
BTW, (good as place as any to ask) are any of the 12 disciples indisputably True Christians ??
Any ?
Even 1 ???
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 2, 2016 at 6:04 am
(July 1, 2016 at 10:23 am)Darwins Disciple Wrote: Without a doubt, SAVE JESUS
If he did not die a martyr, his movement would have fallen into the scrap heap of apocalyptic cults of the time. This would spare humanity from this backward dark age philosophy thought.
I interesting to hear a Christians view on this moral dilemma: Save Jesus and no Christianity or Kill Jesus and have Christianity.
I have a feeling most Christians would rationalize KILLING JESUS. (Consistent with their hypocrisy).
What's to say his martyrdom wasn't a later invention? Somtimes you've got to invent the man.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
July 2, 2016 at 7:44 am
(July 1, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Darwins Disciple Wrote: (July 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Why would I save him when he is going to rise from the dead anyway?
Excellent response and a very moral answer, initially. However your actions would result in the rise of Christianity. As an Atheist, how moral is your decision knowing the 1,000 years of Dark Ages will follow?
fyi, Your answer could be used by Christians to justify KILL Jesus, morally, AND give rise to Christianity. Which they believe is good for humanity.
Well if he dies and doesn't rise from the dead, you are there to properly document the event and crush the myth before it starts, saving millions from the spread of Christianity.
If he dies and does resurrect then you have saved the entire human race from eternal damnation.
If you save Jesus, he continues to spread Christianity.
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