Do Christians worship a suicide victim?

[madog]

madog,
 
You may think that my questions were too high a level for you.

 

Yes they were, so high they went right over my head ...

[Ignorant]

{1) Nope, I made the statement about Christians using man made statements in another thread and as a general statement, you said you never do ... I'll look it up if it bothers you    [1]

{2) yes I said it was my opinion .... [2]

{3} ? [3]

{4} Which ones are getting the correct answer? your religion/sect or your version? Really clear message .... Maybe slitting his own throat after spending time writing stuff down and making sure it was safely passed on might have worked better? [4]

1) If you are referring to this HERE, here's a clarification: a) Everyone uses man made statements b) I don't use man made evidence to demonstrate the existence of God c) In a thread directed at Christians within the Christianity subsection of these forums, asking about what Christians say ("Christians tend to state that their "Jesus" chose to allow the crusifiction [sic] and had the power to stop it?" -you, HERE), one would think that an affirmation that such is what Christians say , and providing a few citations as to why they say it wouldn't be that revolutionary or disappointing. I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was answering your question.

2) Yes, and I responded with a youtube video clip from the Big Labowsky... what else am I supposed to do with your opinion? Let's just relax....

3) ;

4) Which ones don't teach the extremely general message I just wrote? Can you name one?

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Maybe there is a better way it could have been transmitted. It is fair of you to find the method God chose to be lacking. <= But that isn't really your point. Your beef isn't with the method of transmitting the message. Your beef is with the message itself. So who cares if it is "efficiently" passed on, you still think it's stupid.

[madog]

1) If you are referring to this HERE, here's a clarification: a) Everyone uses man made statements b) I don't use man made evidence to demonstrate the existence of God c) 

2) Yes, and I responded with a youtube video clip from the Big Labowsky... what else am I supposed to do with your opinion? Let's just relax....

3) ;

4) Which ones don't teach the extremely general message I just wrote? Can you name one?

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Maybe there is a better way it could have been transmitted. It is fair of you to find the method God chose to be lacking. <= But that isn't really your point. Your beef isn't with the method of transmitting the message. Your beef is with the message itself. So who cares if it is "efficiently" passed on, you still think it's stupid.

1) this started with you describing more than the existence of God ... Your statement; quote " I don't think it helps to limit God's activity in this world ONLY to the miraculous and spectacular" You have just showed you use man made evidence for "Gods activity in this world" by listing gospel in your previous answers 

4) Quote from your answer "He chose this way to communicate something to us about ourselves and about God." .... If this forum and every other Christian forum/discussion/argument didn't show the "communication" wasn't clear about "God" I am lost for words 


"Maybe there is a better way it could have been transmitted." well he waited somewhere between 100-250 thousand years, he could have waited another couple of thousand years and did his party tricks when technology was available to record what he wanted the relationship between God and man to be ...

As to having a "beef" with the fictional message, I am as confused as the Christians as regards that .... even for all their alleged personal knowledge 

[Silver]

Christians mindlessly worship.

That's just it.

They never truly use their minds when it comes to religion, because as atheists some of us were there at one point. We finally used our minds, woke up from the delusion, and realized the truth.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Some things I've often wondered about Christ's death:

1. Why was the sacrifice of God incarnate even necessary? God could simply have said, 'Ok, humans, here's the deal - love me big bunches and you'll get to go to heaven. Don't love me and you get punished.'

2. Why all the tedious mucking about with the Passion? If it was necessary for Jesus to die, couldn't he have simply thrown himself under an oxcart or something?

3. Since Jesus was (according to the fable) 'God made flesh', he was immortal, so his 'self-sacrifice' would have been about as troubling as a hangnail.

4. How exactly did Jesus' brutal murder make eternal life possible? In the context of an omnimax Being, couldn't eternal life have been an option without snuffing Jesus?

5. Jesus knew who and what he was - his words and actions clearly demonstrate it. He also knew what was being demanded of him. So why did he wail and moan about being 'forsaken'?

6. Wouldn't the Passion have made a better film if, on the Via Dolorosa, Jesus had manifested a Thompson submachine gun and sprayed his tormentors, shouting, 'You'll never take me alive, coppers!', a la Jimmy Cagney?

7. Continuing the Cagney motif, how cool would it have been if, from the cross, Jesus had shouted, 'Top o' the world, Ma!'?

This is how my mind works when the wife's out of house and there's nothing good on telly.

Boru

[Thomas Kelly252525]

Christians mindlessly worship.

That's just it.

They never truly use their minds when it comes to religion, because as atheists some of us were there at one point.  We finally used our minds, woke up from the delusion, and realized the truth.

Maelstrom,


Do you think you are made of cells and that your cells control you and you are a slave to them ?

[Silver]

Do you think you are made of cells and that your cells control you and you are a slave to them ?

Clarify the question, please.

[emjay]

Christians mindlessly worship.

That's just it.

They never truly use their minds when it comes to religion, because as atheists some of us were there at one point.  We finally used our minds, woke up from the delusion, and realized the truth.

That was certainly true of me when I was a Christian. It was just spoon fed to me growing up and I never questioned it. I was completely ignorant and you guys would have had a field day with me if I'd come on this forum then... and Minimalist would have torn me apart 

[Simon Moon]

Some things I've often wondered about Christ's death:

1.  Why was the sacrifice of God incarnate even necessary?  God could simply have said, 'Ok, humans, here's the deal - love me big bunches and you'll get to go to heaven.  Don't love me and you get punished.'

I've asked a similar question to Thomas Kelly several times already. He's responded to other points in my posts, but conveniently ignores that one. 

To reiterate, why did "God" need the sacrifice at all?

It's his universe, his rules, why not just forgive humanity?

[dyresand]

Yes yes they do