UK to leave EU

[Isis]

I don't mean to speak on behalf of MG, but I think he is referring to an assumption that those who voted to remain in the EU, would vote to leave the UK in the event of a second referendum (in other words, that those people would choose EU membership over the union). I tend to agree that membership of both is not favoured by May or the EU.

I personally agree that the issue is a bit more nuanced than that, and EU but not UK membership comes with it's own set of problems that weren't a factor in indyref1, such as the English/Scottish border, and trade with the rest of the UK, which I understand to be Scotland's biggest market (and far bigger than the EU) on whatever terms the Brexit negotiations produce.

That's not to mention those Scots who don't want to be in either.

Oh right, then he is correct. Not everyone who voted remain wants to leave the UK, but it is also possible that the whole thing has persuaded some (former) unionists to back independence. You are also correct in saying that we can't be a member of both. It just wouldn't work.

But hey, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. A referendum on independence won't happen for a while and A50 hasn't even been triggered yet. I suppose we can only wait and see how the negotiations go.

[ukatheist]

Indeed, I just hope Sturgeon doesn't put all her eggs in one basket, and focuses on trying to get the best deal from Brexit for the whole UK, as she is asking May to do. But me thinks that she is just like any other politician and wouldn't be looking to actively help the UK in order to help her case for independence. Could backfire if you guys decide to stay in the UK after all [emoji53]

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[pocaracas]

I've heard some rumors at work about a detail in "pulling out"... a detail called Euratom, the European body regulating all atomic related activities... of most concern being: nuclear fission power plant fuel.
It seems it all belongs to Euratom... if the UK leaves, but keeps the fuel, then the UK must pay for it... unless they pay to remain as an external member, like Switzerland is.
Either way, money will be involved.... lots of it.

http://www.ccfe.ac.uk/news_detail.aspx?id=415
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UKAEA has since received the following statement from the Minister of State for Universities, Science, Research and Innovation, Jo Johnson MP:

"The research done at Culham Centre for Fusion Energy is rightly recognised as world class and it has driven UK leadership in fusion R&D for many years. The Government has no intention of compromising this position following the decision to withdraw from the Euratom Treaty. Leaving Euratom is a result of the decision to leave the European Union as they are uniquely legally joined. The UK supports Euratom, and we value international collaboration in fusion research and the UK's key role in these efforts.

"Maintaining and building on our world-leading fusion expertise and securing alternative routes into the international fusion R&D projects such as the Joint European Torus (JET) project at Culham and the ITER project in France, will be a priority.
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[Pat Mustard]

CAP was always a losing proposition, it decoupled supply and demand (which worked so well in the Soviet Union) resulting in the supermarkets being able to get away with paying stupidly low prices for produce. That is always going to end in disaster, and throw in the fact that actively promotes fraud and inefficient practices gives it only way to go.

Supermarkets were already paying stupidly low prices for produce, as they had either bought up or suborned the creameries and abattoirs. The whole point of the CAP payments was down to farmers in France and Germany being no longer able to earn enough from the sale of their food to cover the costs of growing or rearing it. You're mistaking effect for cause.

But then again, brexshitters never knew a good thing when it came along.

[Isis]

Indeed, I just hope Sturgeon doesn't put all her eggs in one basket, and focuses on trying to get the best deal from Brexit for the whole UK, as she is asking May to do. But me thinks that she is just like any other politician and wouldn't be looking to actively help the UK in order to help her case for independence. Could backfire if you guys decide to stay in the UK after all [emoji53]

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That doesn't seem likely, as you said yourself. She is determined to achieve independence and if they lose this referendum, they will probably just call another one in a few years time and repeat until they get the result they want. I think holding another one soon is justified though, given the current situation.

Yes, you could argue that UK voted together but it would not be right to just ignore the concerns of regular Scots either.  Obviously I would very much prefer a compromise to be drawn up, say, more devolved powers or something like that compared to full-blown independence but whatever happens, happens, I guess.

[Pat Mustard]

I don't quite understand what you mean. Do you honestly think that the EU would allow Scotland to remain part of both? In fact, it's unlikely that Westminster would allow it either.

I don't mean to speak on behalf of MG, but I think he is referring to an assumption that those who voted to remain in the EU, would vote to leave the UK in the event of a second referendum (in other words, that those people would choose EU membership over the union). I tend to agree that membership of both is not favoured by May or the EU.

I personally agree that the issue is a bit more nuanced than that, and EU but not UK membership comes with it's own set of problems that weren't a factor in indyref1, such as the English/Scottish border, and trade with the rest of the UK, which I understand to be Scotland's biggest market (and far bigger than the EU) on whatever terms the Brexit negotiations produce.

That's not to mention those Scots who don't want to be in either.

I think what'll drive the next indyref results is that a lot of people who were undecided were conned into voting remain by Cameroon and Broon stating categorically that Scotland would be devolved powers similar in scope and meaning as to those given to the Irish Free State in Nineteen and Twenty-One (aside from the foreign affairs and defence powers). Once those promises were broken, that killed the English parties in Scotland for a generation, and all the SNP needed was one nudge to push for a new referendum, given gleefully by May (who was always a brexshitter, just too cowardly to come out and openly admit it).

[Isis]

On the subject of referendums, I think Northern Ireland should be offered the chance to decide their future as well, given the circumstances there.

[Mr Greene]

They have a referndum on that every 10 years. 2013 was the last one I think.

[Isis]

They have a referndum on that every 10 years. 2013 was the last one I think.

Eh, what? I am fairly certain the last referendum was in 1973.

[Mr Greene]

That was the first in the sequence but they happen every decade.
Something of a damp squib because the Unionists outnumer the Nationalists so much.