Why do you actually believe in God?

[Mystic]

And you simple measure it by impulse you have no control over?

You know those people who say there's no such thing as a stupid question? They're wrong.

Just make your point already.

Veritas Vincit, the truth is if you are a soul, it may very well be obvious that you are one. And if you have an exact value to who you are, and you were given knowledge that you do have an exact value even though you don't what it is....that may lead to another question, how? We aren't physical in this respect, even if we assume there is no soul, the physical brain is creating a non-physical experience, and that merit type value we are, is not physical, and requires perception. In this case, in the case you know you have an exact value, a hue, a merit type image that is either beautiful or ugly or somewhere inbetween, a rank, that is of an objective level, it will become obvious that an objective perception maintains that value.  We aren't that objective perception, nor can anything less then perfect perception judge and give us our exact value.

This is one of the many reminders of the nature of ourselves and it's link to God, mainly that some being does see us. We aren't the perceiver of exactly that perpetual identity we have, the rank, the beauty or ugliness, the honor or disgrace, we are in....rather God knows it. Yet we have a distant scent in that we honor others, and we believe in praise of others.

So ok you don't believe in exact value or free-will etc, but at the very least you should be humble enough to say that humans can know this about themselves.

You said you don't give value to yourself, Imam Ali said "who knows his worth, knows his Lord, sufficient as ignorant one who does know his worth", and else where said "who knows himself knows his Lord"......

[Mr.wizard]

Muhammad Ali said " float like butterfly, sting like a bee."

[robvalue]

I think some people find life/reality dull, meaningless, or too complicated, and have to plaster magic stuff all over it. Or maybe to make themselves feel special.

I can understand this desire, I just don't feel it myself.

This isn't just limited to "gods" of course, whatever the bloody flip they are meant to be. I'm talking about all forms of woo people project onto reality and themselves.

[Veritas_Vincit]

whatever

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Mate there's not enough substance in what your saying to even begin to make sense of it. None of what you are saying appears to be grounded in or even loosely connected with reality.

[Mystic]

whatever

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Mate there's not enough substance in what your saying to even begin to make sense of it. None of what you are saying appears to be grounded in or even loosely connected with reality.

If there was substance, and it was manifestly true, are you certain you are in that state that would acknowledge and accept it?

[Expired]

whatever

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Mate there's not enough substance in what your saying to even begin to make sense of it. None of what you are saying appears to be grounded in or even loosely connected with reality.

If there was substance, and it was manifestly true, are you certain you are in that state that would acknowledge and accept it?

And you can fuck off as well.

[Veritas_Vincit]

Mystic be like:
"THEY SEE ME TROLLIN' ... THEY HATIN'..."

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Enjoy your weed dude. Come back when you actually give a f**k about reality.

[Mystic]

Mystic be like:
"THEY SEE ME TROLLIN' ... THEY HATIN'..."

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Enjoy your weed dude. Come back when you actually give a f**k about reality.

Why would you be angry at me if you don't believe I had any free-will in all this?

[Veritas_Vincit]

"THEY TRYIN'A CATCH ME TROLLIN' DIRTY"

[Mystic]

May God guide our hearts to the straight path.