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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 23, 2016 at 8:01 am
Ah, I forgot to say "case closed" on my post. Damnit. Foiled again!
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 23, 2016 at 8:03 am
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 4:20 am
(July 23, 2016 at 8:00 am)Stimbo Wrote: (July 23, 2016 at 3:45 am)Godschild Wrote: I have a simple answer for you listen closely. God is omnipresent this means He exists in the past, now and in the future and is always in the present, so yes our reality existed before time began because we existed in God's reality, He eventually made the reality physical so that we could experience it. Case closed.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 7:56 am
Scriptures say nothing about reality existing before time began, so you can't know any of that from studies of them. So I ask again: how do you know all this?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(July 24, 2016 at 7:56 am)Stimbo Wrote: Scriptures say nothing about reality existing before time began, so you can't know any of that from studies of them. So I ask again: how do you know all this?
You are right because the Bible is not a treaties on metaphysics. This doctrine comes from general revelation - the God of Classical Theism. In other words reason applied to experience under the assumption that reality is intelligible and reason is effective.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 3:41 pm
Experience of -what-? You been having convo's with god that you're not sharing?
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm
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So why are scriptures brought up at all? I'm not under the impression that the bible is a "treatise on metaphysics", remember; none of this is my claim. I'm questioning the proposal that scriptures contain this kind of information.
Asuming that reality is intelligible and reason is effective is one thing, but that's not the part under examination. It's the "general revelation" part. Let's posit a person coming to this for the first time, with no prior conceptions or anyone interpreting meaning and telling him what to believe - what about the bible, general revelation and the classical "God" can possibly lead to the conclusion that reality existed before time began?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 3:46 pm
(July 24, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Experience of -what-? You been having convo's with god that you're not sharing?
And if so, how can anyone else verify any of this?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm
(July 24, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Experience of -what-? You been having convo's with god that you're not sharing?
Isn't it funny how much of christian "revelation" relies on experiences that are exactly identical to not having an experience at all, but for the bizarrely confident conviction of the christian themselves?
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm
(July 24, 2016 at 3:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You are right because the Bible is not a treaties on metaphysics. This doctrine comes from general revelation - the God of Classical Theism. In other words reason applied to experience under the assumption that reality is intelligible and reason is effective.
A.K.A., theistic hooplah rolled into apologetics.
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