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FatAndFaithless · August 24, 2016 at 10:26 am

(August 24, 2016 at 10:24 am)Little lunch Wrote: His first line, 'the cosmos is all that ever was, all that is or ever will be', is in my opinion, something that we will never ever know.

That's..just the definition of the word 'cosmos.'

Little lunch · August 24, 2016 at 10:32 am

Only if you believe that there was nothing before this universe or outside of it beyond our sight or replacing it some time after it is extinguished.

Little lunch · August 24, 2016 at 10:33 am

Not saying I believe in any of those three things, just that we will never know. :-)

FatAndFaithless · (This post was last modified: August 24, 2016 at 10:36 am by FatAndFaithless.)

(August 24, 2016 at 10:32 am)Little lunch Wrote: Only if you believe that there was nothing before this universe or outside of it beyond our sight or replacing it some time after it is extinguished.

Er..no. That's why there is the term 'cosmos' instead of universe. Cosmos includes universes that might have predated our own, or universes that are outside of our own (multiverse), or universes that might come after our own.

That's why Sagan says that the cosmos is everything that has been, is, and will be. It's the all-inclusive term for 'everything,' while 'universe' is just for our current universe. That's just the definition of cosmos.

**Whateverist** · August 24, 2016 at 10:36 am

(August 24, 2016 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Maybe there is something and there is nothing.

Is the something imbedded in the nothing or is the nothing just the gaps between the somethings?

**Whateverist** · (This post was last modified: August 24, 2016 at 10:40 am by Whateverist.)

(August 24, 2016 at 10:24 am)Little lunch Wrote: His first line, 'the cosmos is all that ever was, all that is or ever will be', is in my opinion, something that we will never ever know.

Maybe it was said with the realization that all we can perceive and conceive of now is but a speck in what may be out there. "Cosmos" may be is a kind of blank check word.

**Whateverist** · August 24, 2016 at 10:42 am

(August 24, 2016 at 10:36 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(August 24, 2016 at 10:32 am)Little lunch Wrote: Only if you believe that there was nothing before this universe or outside of it beyond our sight or replacing it some time after it is extinguished.

Er..no. That's why there is the term 'cosmos' instead of universe. Cosmos includes universes that might have predated our own, or universes that are outside of our own (multiverse), or universes that might come after our own.

That's why Sagan says that the cosmos is everything that has been, is, and will be. It's the all-inclusive term for 'everything,' while 'universe' is just for our current universe. That's just the definition of cosmos.

I've been ninja'd, but at least it was a distinguished ninja.

FatAndFaithless · August 24, 2016 at 10:43 am

(August 24, 2016 at 10:42 am)Whateverist Wrote:
(August 24, 2016 at 10:36 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Er..no. That's why there is the term 'cosmos' instead of universe. Cosmos includes universes that might have predated our own, or universes that are outside of our own (multiverse), or universes that might come after our own.

That's why Sagan says that the cosmos is everything that has been, is, and will be. It's the all-inclusive term for 'everything,' while 'universe' is just for our current universe. That's just the definition of cosmos.

I've been ninja'd, but at least it was a distinguished ninja.

I'm still coming to steal one of your dogs.

Little lunch · August 24, 2016 at 11:01 am

The cosmos is the universe as a well ordered system, not chaotic.
It is only this universe that we observe.
I'm not even sure if it would include different parts of a multi-verse, which we will also never, ever know of for sure.

Little lunch · August 24, 2016 at 11:02 am

But in relation to Carl Sagan's inspirational speech, perhaps I'm being a little bit petty. :-)

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