Why there is something rather than nothing...

[Whateverist]

Kind of you to say.

Heidi would be happy with either of us.




Got to watch out for the boy. Here he is exercising his heeler mind-meld.



My little boy has grown up, a few weeks past a year now. Heidi is still boss bitch but he plays her to perfection.

[Arkilogue]

Not saying I believe in any of those three things, just that we will never know. :-)

Scientists believe they are finding evidence for "other universes" in the CMB

If you are in a round bucket full of water, only the bucket is so big you cannot see the round edges...would the internal wave action tell you anything about the border?

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Only if you believe that there was nothing before this universe or outside of it beyond our sight or replacing it some time after it is extinguished.

Er..no.  That's why there is the term 'cosmos' instead of universe.  Cosmos includes universes that might have predated our own, or universes that are outside of our own (multiverse), or universes that might come after our own.

That's why Sagan says that the cosmos is everything that has been, is, and will be.  It's the all-inclusive term for 'everything,' while 'universe' is just for our current universe.  That's just the definition of cosmos.

"Cosmos" seems much smaller to me than a universe. For instance if the universe does contain the same amount of anti-matter as matter only it's separated from our particular bend of space time, from our our matter "cosmos" vs the "anti-matter cosmos"

But I'll go with however you all use it.


Cosmos
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Cosmos (disambiguation).

Flammarion engraving, Paris 1888
The cosmos (UK /ˈkɒzmɒs/, US /ˈkɒzmoʊs/) is the universe regarded as a complex and orderly system; the opposite of chaos.[1] The philosopher Pythagoras used the term cosmos (Ancient Greek: κόσμος) for the order of the universe, but the term was not part of modern language until the 19th century geographer and polymath, Alexander von Humboldt, resurrected the use of the word from the ancient Greek, assigned it to his multi-volume treatise, Kosmos, and, along the way, influenced our present and somewhat holistic perception of the universe as one interacting entity.[2][3]

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Maybe there is something and there is nothing.

Is the something imbedded in the nothing or is the nothing just the gaps between the somethings?

The nothings (universes) are cavitations in the Something. Like bubbles in an ocean with no top bottom or sides. There is only one Something.

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The cosmos is the universe as a well ordered system, not chaotic.
It is only this universe that we observe.
I'm not even sure if it would include different parts of a multi-verse, which we will also never, ever know of for sure.

Multi-verse or metaverse is more descriptive than nebulous "cosmos"

[Jehanne]

His first line, 'the cosmos is all that ever was, all that is or ever will be', is in my opinion, something that we will never ever know.

You're probably right; on the other hand, there are perfectly plausible cosmological models that are eternal, as Dr. Carroll pointed out in his debate with Craig.

[Jehanne]

Kind of you to say.

Heidi would be happy with either of us.




Got to watch out for the boy.  Here he is exercising his heeler mind-meld.



My little boy has grown up, a few weeks past a year now.  Heidi is still boss bitch but he plays her to perfection.

We all pretty much look the same to each of them:

[bennyboy]

Trained killer attack dog + guy with cheese on more than one occasion = free salvage rights at the wrecking yard.

[Jehanne]

Not saying I believe in any of those three things, just that we will never know. :-)

Scientists believe they are finding evidence for "other universes" in the CMB

If you are in a round bucket full of water, only the bucket is so big you cannot see the round edges...would the internal wave action tell you anything about the border?

---

Er..no.  That's why there is the term 'cosmos' instead of universe.  Cosmos includes universes that might have predated our own, or universes that are outside of our own (multiverse), or universes that might come after our own.

That's why Sagan says that the cosmos is everything that has been, is, and will be.  It's the all-inclusive term for 'everything,' while 'universe' is just for our current universe.  That's just the definition of cosmos.

"Cosmos" seems much smaller to me than a universe.  For instance if the universe does contain the same amount of anti-matter as matter only it's separated from our particular bend of space time, from our our matter "cosmos" vs the "anti-matter cosmos"

But I'll go with however you all use it.


Cosmos
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Cosmos (disambiguation).

Flammarion engraving, Paris 1888
The cosmos (UK /ˈkɒzmɒs/, US /ˈkɒzmoʊs/) is the universe regarded as a complex and orderly system; the opposite of chaos.[1] The philosopher Pythagoras used the term cosmos (Ancient Greek: κόσμος) for the order of the universe, but the term was not part of modern language until the 19th century geographer and polymath, Alexander von Humboldt, resurrected the use of the word from the ancient Greek, assigned it to his multi-volume treatise, Kosmos, and, along the way, influenced our present and somewhat holistic perception of the universe as one interacting entity.[2][3]

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Is the something imbedded in the nothing or is the nothing just the gaps between the somethings?

The nothings (universes) are cavitations in the Something. Like bubbles in an ocean with no top bottom or sides.  There is only one Something.

---

The cosmos is the universe as a well ordered system, not chaotic.
It is only this universe that we observe.
I'm not even sure if it would include different parts of a multi-verse, which we will also never, ever know of for sure.

Multi-verse or metaverse is more descriptive than nebulous "cosmos"

Words often evolve over time:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/word-of-t...2016-08-23

Cosmos may be one of those words:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cosmos

[Edwardo Piet]

There is something rather than nothing because it is impossible for the alternative to be the case: It's impossible for there to be nothing. Nonexistence cannot exist.

There is something rather than nothing because the only alternative is logically impossible, logically incoherent and simply makes no sense. "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Is like asking "Why aren't bachelors ever married?", "Why aren't squares round?" or "Why doesn't 2+2=5?".

The real question is why isn't the totality of the existence of all things a void of emptiness teeming with quantum activity like it was before "the universe" (or multiverse) expanded from it?

[bennyboy]

The real question is why isn't the totality of the existence of all things a void of emptiness teeming with quantum activity like it was before "the universe" (or multiverse) expanded from it?

Maybe it is.   Maybe. . . . it issssss.

[Edwardo Piet]

Exactly.

[Arkilogue]

The real question is why isn't the totality of the existence of all things a void of emptiness teeming with quantum activity like it was before "the universe" (or multiverse) expanded from it?

Why do you assume quantum emptiness is the default starting state?

How does "quantum emptiness" make matter?

Or is it more plausible that the beginning state was a "quantum fullness" (matter taking up all space) and the "inflation" (cavitation) of a universe made space within the original substance?