Why do the ritors ask for Justice?

[LastPoet]

Lost one to cancer?

https://youtu.be/6uFuURJR9vg

CLATU, VERATA, VISNHU-atchoo!

[abaris]

I just give kudos sometimes for the sake of it, since just like rep, I see no real value in it.

It's a sign of agreement. Nothing more, nothing less. If I don't agree with what is being said or don't want to be associated with it, I don't give kudos. And I can't imagine you doing it for the sake of it either. Otherwise you would hand kudos out left, right and center. Which would be indeed meaningless.

[Faith No More]

Can you show me where one of the MEN killed by cops was "innocent?" Meaning they did not have a warrant out or had just committed a crime that force THEM to escalate the situation??

Considering we've got two threads here each with 100+ pages of the heinous shit cops have pulled, I won't even bother sourcing that.  I'll let you find that on your own.  But here's an article about the soaring cost of settlements for police misconduct.  I suppose you probably think they're just handing out money for fun.

But I would like to address your comment of having a warrant out.  Why do you think that is a capital offense?  If I haven't paid a bunch of my parking tickets, do you really think that is deserving of death?

[Faith No More]

Are you saying all black people want collage degrees but white America won't let them have them? That all of the programs available to them are just shams? Oh, wait but your wife works in one of these programs... Is she actually hold black kids back? Or like when I did the same thing does she work damn hard with the kids who want to educate themselves and let the kids who don't want to be there go so that those who want to have an education can be afforded the opportunity because there are only a finite number of people she can help?

Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying

No, I'm saying that there are socioeconomic factors at play, like the cycle of poverty and despair these kids grow up in, as opposed this character flaw you would like to assign to black people as a whole.

Don't be stupid. Not every kid black white or yellow wants to go to collage. few still if their culture does not place a high value on it. In this country the descendants of African slaves have not place the same demands on collage (as an academic goal) say as a people from Indian or Japan have. As a direct net result fewer take advantage or can take advantage of the programs that place minorities in high learning environments. It is simply not apart of their culture.

Again I have worked 10 years with these kids and most of them make fun of those who do well in school, that want to goto collage for anything other that football or basketball.. Not that everyone wants that as people are unique, but at the same time an apple does not fall far from the tree. Meaning if the parents do not have and hold a high standard and strong expectation for school, the child has little hope of overcoming the culture.

So, it's no different than the white kids.  Anti-intellectualism is rampant in this country(you're exhibit A for this), and that attitude is just as prevalent in white people as it is black people.  Yet somehow white people seem to be able to overcome this more easily.  Could this not be because they are afforded better opportunities as a whole?

And it's nice that you admit that a child has little hope of overcoming their culture.  Now, if you could only be honest with yourself and admit that socioeconomic factors are extremely powerful pieces of that culture and not as simple to overcome as a parent merely placing value on education.  I doubt it, though, because you only seem interested in placing the blame squarely at the feet at those most adversely affected.

[abaris]

Anti-intellectualism is rampant in this country(you're exhibit A for this), and that attitude is just as prevalent in white people as it is black people.

Don't feel too special in this. Anti-intellectualism is rampant in many parts of the world. Especially rightwing populous politicians do thwir best in painting intellectualism as something evil. Something to avoid at all costs.

Why? Because they thrive on people refraining from educating themselves. Education is their natural enemy, since people asking questions would take them for the snake oil sellers they are. Before some of the usual suspects pick up on that. In the past it was the left as well. But these times are gone.

There's the term of "Gutmensch" in the German language. It literally means "good human", but the right has managed to spin it into something bad. To discredit humanism, caring for others and tolerance because that's where it's used in a derogatory sense.

[Cato]

....You've missed the point by so much  I don't even care anymore...

Bullshit. I rendered your inane assertions indefensible; that's why you don't care anymore. Nobody's fooled by your sudden and out of character indifference.

[Drich]

Ok sport let's try this..

Hows about you tell me what you think my argument is

Ugh... Well, "sport", since you don't remember:

[...]The fact that you or anyone else does not know the first slave owner in North America was black or that Actual Africans/black people were the primary people who traded in African slave, only further underscores the level of the white guilt movement you have bought into.[...]

and how this contradicts it.

It's horsesh*t. Johnson wasn't the first slave owner in North America. He was merely one of the first slave owners of African origin (black) in America - because up to that point almost all slave owners over there were European white. And sure - the first black slaveholder in America was black. What's your point (if you have one)?

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The first legal slave owner in America was black and he owned white slaves. Anthony Johnson (BC 1600 – 1670) was an Angolan who achieved freedom in the early 17th century Colony of Virginia. Johnson was captured in his native Angola by an enemy tribe and sold to Arab (Muslim) slave traders.Apr 27, 2015
Did You Know the First Legal Slave Owner in America Was a Black ...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../did-you-know-the-first-legal-slave-owner-in-america-wa...

You see what I did there "Sport?"

I made a statement, backed it against a source, and you responded with essentially "nuh-huh" So then I supplied you with secondary material that supported my first assertion.

So one more time, when I ask you to explain my position I am asking you to address my citations that support my conclusion, meaning if you think I am reading something wrong or if you think my citation is wrong then provide an alternative reading or a stronger citation. don't just repeat your 'nuh-huh.' I get it you disagree, but why do you disagree is the question.

If you think I read the wiki page wrong I included another page that supports my original assessment. So now what else you got?

[abaris]

The first legal slave owner in America was black and he owned white slaves. Anthony Johnson (BC 1600 – 1670) was an Angolan who achieved freedom in the early 17th century Colony of Virginia. Johnson was captured in his native Angola by an enemy tribe and sold to Arab (Muslim) slave traders.Apr 27, 2015

So he was owned illegally before becoming a slave owner himself? Or what exactly is your point there. Since being freed means he was a slave before being freed.

And that, of course is ignoring the Spanish and all the other peoples resorting to slavery before that, on the territory that now makes for the USA. For about 150 to 200 years.

Also, the Gatewaypundit wouldn't be my first source when it comes to history. I talked about this earlier. Not taking any opinionated blog for a fact just because it suits my agenda. I also talked about not wanting to embarass myself by posting shitty links.

[Drich]

And he had pcp in the car.

More importantly he had his hands in the air. Did you notice? And if he had PCP, ist that punishable by death?

Not at the time of the tazer and the shot. His hand went into his pocket, which is why he was tazed and shot. Which means more than one officer felt threatened.

The primary crime/what starts the police interaction, is always a secondary matter to how you are interacting with police.

PCP does not demand a death sentence, but aggressive or non compliant behavior does when you insist on being a threat or at the very least an enigma that will not comply with police in order to Deescalate a life and death situation. Stupid people like this need to be shot.

Again, the cops job is to secure the situation. Even if it mean being placed in hand cuffs then that is what you have to let them do. When did american become so ignorant of the law and law enforcement? I've been placed in hand cuffs several times, and never once did i open my mouth or protest. Let them do their job, I had nothing to hide and each time they let me go. Again the problem is stupid people do not understand the role of law enforcement and their techniques and protocols. If one simply goes long and displays behavior that satisfies the protocol's need to deescalate then the cop is forced to deescalate. The problem? most people who want to fight the cops are guilty of something and the fear is they will be found out after they have been subdued.

[abaris]

Not at the time of the tazer and the shot. His hand went into his pocket, which is why he was tazed and shot. Which means more than one officer felt threatened.

Yeah, whatever rocks your boat of righteousness. You know what, I can even go with tasering the guy, stretching it to my limits of acceptance after watching the video. But obviously not with shooting him.

Obviously the prosecutor holds the same opinion.